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John Noble out of 'The Hobbit'

calisuri
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Aug 27 2008, 5:55pm

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John Noble out of 'The Hobbit' Can't Post

082708_hobbitIt has been well documented that Guillermo del Toro will approach the original The Lord of the Rings cast to reprise their roles in Middle-earth should the script call for it. News comes today from the MTV Movie Blog that one such actor, John Noble, won't be available:

“If they said, ‘Would you come and play Denethor again,’” Noble said, “I would have to say, ‘No, I’m doing [new J.J. Abrams television series] ‘Fringe’! And I certainly couldn’t play a younger Denethor or even Echelion now that I’m an older John. Not even with makeup.”


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xy
Nargothrond

Aug 27 2008, 6:12pm

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hmmm [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe a young Denethor would fit in in movie 2 but not the Hobbit.


Elven
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Aug 27 2008, 6:20pm

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Well .. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm still not getting "I wont' ... "I can't" is a bit different .... "I haven't been asked" ... OK ...
If there's a place for Denethor in the movie/s then I would hope that John Noble would do it - despite the media reporting.
Im also aware no-one is able to comment on a thing - maybe except of course our dear Gandalf and Andy Serkis - so I'm not surprised at the comment.
Too many times we have been thrown off the track (as fans) ... Im hesitant until we here (here) from Guillermo.
John Noble is a brilliant actor and I admired his take on Denethor.


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"I do wish them the best of luck, however,” he added. “There’s tremendous fan interest in ‘The Hobbit.’ But ‘Lord of the Rings’ was so special, you could tell even when you were working on it, that it was just so good, and sometimes, you just want to leave that in a special place somehow.”



Wishing John Noble the best of luck in his endevours too.

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diedye
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Aug 27 2008, 6:35pm

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He's assuming... [In reply to] Can't Post

... "Fringe" will still be on the air when filming begins on The Hobbit (which is still a year or two away). I wouldn't hold my breath. FOX has a nasty reputation of cancelling shows despite fans' outpouring of support.

*grumble grumble*

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(This post was edited by diedye on Aug 27 2008, 6:36pm)


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Aug 27 2008, 7:08pm

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I think that will be a problem [In reply to] Can't Post

with a lot of the older actors.
When they start filming for The Hobbit and Film 2, it will be almost 10 years after they started filming LOTR.
And now these guys have to play characters that are younger than the characters in LOTR, while they themselves have aged.
So either they must have aged very gracefully, or there has to be done a lot of make up.
And that is even beside the physical part of the role.
So I'm afraid there might be more rejection (although I really, really, really hope not)


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Gondolin


Aug 27 2008, 7:12pm

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Does it seem silly to anyone else... [In reply to] Can't Post

That reporters seem to be asking anyone who was either involved with LOTR or has been involved with GDT about what can only be an assumed role in The Hobbit and F2? I mean, 1. they can't possibly know if there will be a part for them, if they'll be offered it, or if they'll accept it. And 2. many of these people have current projects that should be getting as much (if not more) attention than a movie that's not even scripted yet and won't be in theaters for more than 3 years. All IMHO, of course.



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Aug 27 2008, 7:18pm

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Cast Alex Pettyfer in The Hobbit I&II!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Last night, I watched a DVD "Stormbreaker" (2006), based on the first book in Anthony Horowitz's best-selling "Alex Rider" series on a teenager who works for MI6. That's how I discovered Alex Pettyfer (who played the 14-year-old Rider). The casting director for Hobbit 1 & 2 really should check him out for an elven role.



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Aug 27 2008, 9:23pm

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Seems very silly to me!! [In reply to] Can't Post

It's one thing asking Ian's McKellan & Holm if they will be playing a part in The Hobbit, but asking actors about a movie that doesn't even have a definite plot yet seems a little daft! Until it's been scripted, no one knows anything!! And yes, it must be a tadge annoying when journalists are asking you questions about a potentially non-existent future part in F2, when you are trying to promote something you're currently working on!


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Aug 28 2008, 3:42am

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... "Fringe" will still be on the air when filming begins on The Hobbit (which is still a year or two away). I wouldn't hold my breath. FOX has a nasty reputation of cancelling shows despite fans' outpouring of support.

*grumble grumble*

No, I'm not bitter.



My thoughts exactly. A few months from now, when the show has been axed (call me a pessimist, but most new shows don't make it), the notion of participating in a surefire hit film might start looking a bit more attractive to Mr. Noble.


Earl
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Aug 28 2008, 6:13am

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Why a younger Denethor? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not all too clear about the "timeline" for Film 2. Is it the 60 years between TH and the beginning of LOTR? Or is it also going to encompass those 17 years between the beginning of LOTR and Frodo's setting out? If it's the latter (which I think it will be, seeing as there's much more tangible stuff - like the whole Aragorn tracking Gollum - that happens during that period), then I don't see why any actors have be much younger than they were in LOTR. Just IMO though Smile

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Aug 28 2008, 6:22am

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I never thought he'd be in it! [In reply to] Can't Post

Though I'd like to see the younger Aragorn journeys, I don't think Noble would be able to play Denethor 40 or 50 years younger. I'm doubtful Viggo Mortensen would manage Aragorn that much younger either, actually.

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leo
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Aug 28 2008, 7:32am

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Yeah, this is just asking actors for asking's sake, not really based on anything... [In reply to] Can't Post

As much as I like John, there's really no point to ask him if he is going to be in The Hobbit. But it looks like every single reporter wants to jump on the 'ask if he's going to be involved because he was in LOTR'-bandwagon. I'm expecting quotes like these from David Wenham, Karl Urban and Miranda Otto too. And really, anyone who does his homework knows not to ask those questions. It is just silly.


leo
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Aug 28 2008, 7:35am

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I still don't think he'll be in it [In reply to] Can't Post

Even if they want to follow Aragorn's story for the second film (don't do it! Go with Gandalf's story!), having John Noble as an obviously very young Denethor in it, would just be wrong.

I really hope (and assume) they won't bring back actors just because they were in LOTR. There has to be at least some sense in casting actors in returning roles; these films are not some kind of getting back together-party for the cast.


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Dor-Lomin


Aug 28 2008, 11:40am

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Very "Noble" of him ... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think his choice is good. Although I would love to see him in the films again, the fact that he's deciding not to return is a good choice. Even with make-up, he wouldn't look much younger, plus, his voice wouldn't fit. It's sad news, but at the same time, good news.


Patty
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Aug 28 2008, 5:09pm

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Exactly. And this is all because... [In reply to] Can't Post

there is no real news, and journalists (knowing the interest is there) are just dreaming up anything they can to get those interested folks to read their stories.

Hopefully it won't be long before there is some more substantial news.

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Advising Elf
Nargothrond


Aug 29 2008, 2:25pm

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You're forgetting... [In reply to] Can't Post

...the 17 year gap doesn't exist in the movie version.


Earl
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Aug 30 2008, 7:16am

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i'm not so sure... [In reply to] Can't Post

... just because there wasn't a subtitle that said '17 years later' does not mean the movie ignored that period of time. i mean, as long as the movie didn't say 'a week later' and/or did anything to refute the timeline, the 17 year gap exists in my mind at least Smile

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Advising Elf
Nargothrond


Sep 1 2008, 1:44am

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PJ & Co., in the commentaries, explicity say that the 17 year gap is not there. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


grammaboodawg
Elvenhome


Sep 1 2008, 2:49pm

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I don't see why he couldn't [In reply to] Can't Post

play a small part just before the end of Film2 in order to join the films/stories together if he's needed. I mean, Ian Holm and Cate Blanchett were only on set for 2 weeks (or less) and were able to fulfill their characters' storylines through 3 films!

I imagine if that could be arranged (if needed), he'd hopefully rethink this to better the story for Boromir/Faramir's roles.

A younger Denethor? Yeah, someone else should be used... just as will be done (most likely) for the other characters (EXCEPT wizards and elves ;)





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