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Dreamdeer
Valinor


Jun 18 2008, 3:41pm

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So..the second movie is tentatively expected to release around December, 2012? How fitting! Multiple groups around the globe (most famously the Mayan calendar) have predicted that the world will end that very month, or at least experience such interesting cataclysms as to signal the end of the world as we know it. But hey, if I get to see the final Tolkien movie before it all goes kablooey, I'll be satisfied. Wouldn't that be a nice way to close things down?

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Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jun 18 2008, 3:45pm

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Jun 18 2008, 4:21pm

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read about that prediction somewhere.
Well, as long as I get to see the movies, all is well Smile.


Finduilas101
Rivendell


Jun 18 2008, 6:22pm

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I heard about that... [In reply to] Can't Post

Yeah, so on the day that perhaps the greatest movie of all time comes out, we'll all be dead. Oh well. I just hope Armaggedon waits until we've all gotten to see it!

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Elberbeth
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Jun 18 2008, 6:50pm

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So that sent me to the 'net [In reply to] Can't Post

to see what that was all about. I found this very interesting site http://survive2012.com/ and lo and behold there was a bunch of information about Immanuel Velikovsky, one of whose books I read several years ago. My then brother-in-law was very possessive of this book and had to be persuaded to lend it. A great number of fascinating theories, although the book was quite dry.

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leo
Rohan


Jun 18 2008, 7:00pm

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Oh... calendar dates... And here I was thinking this was about... [In reply to] Can't Post

... blind dates ;-)


Darkstone
Immortal


Jun 18 2008, 7:45pm

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"...and the world wagged as merrily as before." [In reply to] Can't Post

Measurements of the Great pyramid indicated the world would end in 1953. It didn’t. (Unless you count the fact that I was born that year.)

According to Jehovah’s Witnesses, 1975 was “The Date”. It wasn’t. (Don’t worry. They have a list of alternates.)

Psychic Jeanne Dixon (who kinda sorta predicted the Kennedy assassination) predicted that the world would be hit by a giant comet sometime in the mid 1980s. The only world-wide disaster in the 80s was Disco.

On March 10, 1982 an alignment of the outer planets would supposedly produce “The Jupiter Effect” which would destroy the world with earthquakes. Didn’t notice anything.

Some Biblical scholars calculated that the world would end in 1996. “A thousand years is as a day for God.” According to Bishop Ussher’s famous calculations the world was created in 4004 BC. Thus Man’s work would come to an end after six thousand years (1996 AD) just like God's work came to an end after the sixth day. Nope. Apparently it doesn’t work that way.

In his quatrains Nostradamus predicted the world would end in July 1999. Orson Welles repeated this in the documentary “The Man Who Saw Tomorrow” (1981). They were both wrong.

The famed psychic Criswell (who also had predicted the month and year something bad would happen to President Kennedy) predicted the world would end on Aug. 18, 1999. Criswell also starred in “Plan 9 From Outer Space” (1959), which was another one of his obvious mistakes.

According to the media the world was supposed to end just after midnight on January 1, 2000 because of Y2K. Me and Wifey stayed up all night and nothing happened. (Well, er, actually yes, something did, but not that….)

The world was supposed to end for sure in May 5, 2000 when this time *all* the planets lined up in a straight line in a sort of "Jupiter Effect Part Deux". Even the addition of little Mercury, Mars, and Venus didn’t help.

But maybe the Mayans might be right where others were wrong. But the fact that their supposedly accurate 26,627 year calendar is actually 173 years off gives me some grounds for doubt.

Wink

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Dreamdeer
Valinor


Jun 18 2008, 7:53pm

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Thank you for your refreshing perspective! [In reply to] Can't Post

It's still fun to throw end of the world parties, however many times it might purportedly end.

The May 5, 2000 alignment did have one curious effect. The hospital I worked for (as a transcriber for surgeons) had an unbelievable surge of emergency admits that kept everybody busy to the point of exhaustion and darn near hysterics. Those of us into astrology figured (after the fact) that if a planet or two in a stressful point in a person's individual chart might cause them to fall ill or injured, then having all of the planets lined up at that point at once would definitely do some damage. Theoretically, then, some folks somewhere were experiencing the planets lined up in some very auspicious spot in their own charts, and were having one whale of a good time with good luck coming out if their ears, but working in a hospital is not the place where one normally hears of such things.

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Idril Celebrindal
Tol Eressea


Jun 18 2008, 7:59pm

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I'll mark my calendar then ... [In reply to] Can't Post

... For December, 2185 as doomsday a la Maya. Evil

Of course, if the calendar is wrong in the other direction, doomsday a la Maya would have happened in 1839.

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weaver
Half-elven

Jun 18 2008, 8:06pm

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interestingly enough, there was a whole section on dragons on that site... [In reply to] Can't Post

...no mention of Smaug by name, though!

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Lunamoth
Rohan


Jun 18 2008, 8:17pm

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Y2k - urgh [In reply to] Can't Post

I was in IT support during the Y2K scare. I had to come to work on New Year's Day, normal 8 am start time. My hubby dropped me off (he didn't have to work, of course, like a normal person) and drove off. Except then there was this sandwich board sign out front of my building that basically said, "oops, sorry you had to wake up early on New Year's Day, seeing as nothing catastrophic happened. You can go now!"

Boy was that annoying. Unimpressed


Elenedhel
Rivendell


Jun 18 2008, 10:35pm

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I'd be disappointed if the world ended before it came out Frown. Actually, come to think of it, I couldn't be disappointed because I'd be deadUnimpressed.

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Dreamdeer
Valinor


Jun 19 2008, 1:19am

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The reason Y2K was not a disaster was because everybody caught on in time to prevent it from becoming a disaster. We actually rose to a challenge and prevented all manner of nastiness from happening, yay human beings! So now people say it was a dud? No dud by any means, but a bomb successfully disarmed!

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mwirkk
Rohan


Jun 19 2008, 1:27am

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Ya, in the labs I was responsible for at the time... [In reply to] Can't Post

...we tested extensively ahead of time, and worked closely with customers and partners. We were confident nothing was going to happen and I know of no one I was associated with who was on any special duty outside of the normal "on call" status w/beeper. We all just went out and partied like it was 1999. ;P

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mwirkk
Rohan


Jun 19 2008, 1:35am

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Just under the wire? [In reply to] Can't Post

The prediction is usually said to be for the 21st of December, 2012 -- the final date of the calendar cycle.

The 2nd two LotR were released 1 week before Christmas (don't recall if that was true for FotR --haven't checked-- but I thought I recall it being a bit earlier than that), so we should be able to get in and see it if you catch within the first couple of days.

Yeah!!! :)

The Black Knight Always Triumphs!!

-mwirkk :)


Sunflower
Valinor

Jun 19 2008, 3:23am

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You took the words out of my mouth! [In reply to] Can't Post

I myself take great comfort in the words of Our Lord: "No one knows the day nor the hour." You just have to act like the end of the world is indeed nigh, and be on your best behavior to your fellow man, woman, child, animal, tree, and other forms of God's Kingdom, for we are entrusted to be its Caretakers and Stewards. We are charged with this holy duty.
For example: I LOVE Viggo's words: "Children are God. Pay attention." Someday I am going to have those words framed.

But hey, if Dec 2012 is the end of it all, At least yeah, it'll be the best way possible to enter the Halls of Mandos! I'll just grab an iced tea, some chocolate, and head for a theater!


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Laerasëa
Tol Eressea


Jun 19 2008, 4:25am

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Well, it looks like [In reply to] Can't Post

either way we end up happy-

1. we die happily waiting for The Hobbit
2. we die happily discussing The Hobbit

It all sounds very nice, I think, when you discuss the apocalypse in terms of The Hobbit! Smile


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Dreamdeer
Valinor


Jun 19 2008, 4:27am

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Cheerful [In reply to] Can't Post

Mind you, I didn't say I was worried. I just noticed the coincidental timing and played "What If". In which case, I doubt if I could end on a happier note.

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Peredhil lover
Valinor

Jun 19 2008, 5:42am

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But I hope [In reply to] Can't Post

the end of the world waits until we all have watched the whole movie!!! I simply don't accept the world's end halfway through it Evil

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Guillermo
Rivendell

Jun 19 2008, 2:30pm

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Well- [In reply to] Can't Post

That would be a hell of a way to deal with bad reviews- Or box office competition!

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Earl
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Jun 19 2008, 3:11pm

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We'd STILL miss out on the Extended Edition DVD of Film 2 and the Complete Recordings of both movies Frown

So in the ideal scenario of the whole upheaval of Arda and the Final Battle, methinks they should release all of that stuff on the day of the movie, you know, like, just in case the world ends during the movie, we've at least got the chance of gloating over the cover art and packaging Angelic

To go slightly off-topic, vague and weird (while assuming we all knew the hour of the world's ending), I think that as much as I am a rabid fan of all things Tolkien, I don't suppose I'd want to spend the last moments of my life watching the movie for my personal pleasure and satisfaction - it somehow doesn't seem very Tolkien-like. No. I'd want to spend some quality time with my family in those final moments and face the ending of the word together Heart OOoohh, maybe even have a live chat with my TORnsibs so we can say our last goodbyes till such time that electricity and internet connections permit that day. In any case, I doubt any cinemas would film any movies at all if they knew the last hour of the world - they'd have nothing to gain from it that they can make use of. Maybe PJ and GDT can have a uber-private screening for all fans in one glorious theater down in NZ... okay, I should stop Blush

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Earl
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Jun 19 2008, 3:15pm

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Ach sss... but you'll miss the chance [In reply to] Can't Post

of holding a certain golden ssstatue in that case... so bright, so beautiful... and we don't want that to happen now, do we, preciouss? No, indeed, not at all. We wantss it, it's ours, and we musst have it... Evil

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Peredhil lover
Valinor

Jun 19 2008, 3:25pm

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We can work something out [In reply to] Can't Post

What about an exclusive screening only for TORNados and their familys? All who want to be there? And everyone gets the EE to take with them beyond the Circles of the World, even the ones who want to spend the time with their families. And then we can watch it there as often as we want Tongue

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Solicitr
Gondor

Jun 19 2008, 3:28pm

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Isn't it possible [In reply to] Can't Post

that the arrival of the total fanfic Film 2 would herald or precipitate the End of the World? I could envision the Valar deciding that this time we'd just gone too far, like the Numenoreans, and asking Eru to settle things once and for all. Cool


Peredhil lover
Valinor

Jun 19 2008, 3:42pm

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But will Eru listen to the Valar? [In reply to] Can't Post

Anyway, the human race has done much worser things than making movies not exactly following a book. Look at all the wars. But to keep on the movie topic - there have been films made after books that don't have much more in common with the books than title and a few characters, so why should just this one get punished? Tongue

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