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Peter Jackson is not done

Junesong
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May 9, 1:14pm

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Woke up today to rumours and reports that Jackson and co are back for more Tolkien! Anyone know what or when?

"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."


Otaku-sempai
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May 9, 1:37pm

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Confirmed! [In reply to] Can't Post

The story is on the TORn homepage. Expect discussion to begin soon on the Main Forum.

“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella


Junesong
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May 9, 2:18pm

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Hunt For Gollum is a strange choice. I'm usually pretty anti-cynicism around here but I don't see how this leads anywhere except Middle Earth burn out with the IP being wrung out like an old dishcloth.

I hope the Tolkien Estate is holding tight to the First Age. I don't want to see Beren and Luthien dragged into the MECU

"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."


Patty
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May 9, 2:37pm

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I wonder if they will take the fan film off of YouTube [In reply to] Can't Post

This could be an interesting development. Wonder who would play Aragorn and Gandalf

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Junesong
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May 9, 2:52pm

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My thoughts exactly [In reply to] Can't Post

I was just on the way back to ask this very thing.

Clearly we'll be recasting Aragorn, Gandalf and Legolas as they all have a major role to play in the hunt for Gollum. Not to mention Sauron.

I hope they recast - I know they have the power of CGI and can likely use tricks or even de-age the original actors. But I hope they don't.

"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."


Otaku-sempai
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May 9, 3:51pm

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Discussion Better Here? [In reply to] Can't Post


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The story is on the TORn homepage. Expect discussion to begin soon on the Main Forum.



Come to think of it, maybe the discussion is better had here than in Main. Especially as it's already begun!

“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella


Otaku-sempai
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May 9, 3:54pm

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Recasting Gandalf? [In reply to] Can't Post


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I was just on the way back to ask this very thing.

Clearly we'll be recasting Aragorn, Gandalf and Legolas as they all have a major role to play in the hunt for Gollum. Not to mention Sauron.

I hope they recast - I know they have the power of CGI and can likely use tricks or even de-age the original actors. But I hope they don't.



I'm not sure that there's a need to replace Sir Ian McKellen as Gandalf. Out of the entire cast, he and Andy Serkis could both remain.

“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella


Junesong
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May 9, 4:01pm

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If he wants to [In reply to] Can't Post

I have a feeling he's done with big long shoots and long days spent oceans away from his home.

"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."


Patty
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May 9, 4:22pm

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Vigo is 65 years old [In reply to] Can't Post

Um…
I doubt he would want to do it again even with CGI youthening or AI. It should be too active a role.

Somebody should tell Tom Cruise it’s time to give up the mission impossible series.

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cats16
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May 9, 5:21pm

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Jumping into this thread... [In reply to] Can't Post

...since it has a bit more activity going.

Incredible timing as I was just chatting with a friend last night about Serkis, his directorial efforts and what he might be up to next.

Well, here we go it seems on another adventure!

The timeline here seems a bit ambitious, but that could be Warner Bros. just not wanting to commit to a release date yet.

I feel like there are several ways you could go here with the story. The first that comes to mind is essentially a road movie, wherein Aragorn is off in the wild facing adventures hunting for the elusive Gollum, whom we perhaps only see traces of but don't see much of until the end. That's the simple version that I doubt would get made lol.

My gut tells me Sir Ian, approaching 85, would at most do in-studio work for this, if they really wanted his Gandalf one last time.

Curious where this goes!

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DGHCaretaker
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May 9, 6:23pm

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Why am I not excited? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'll look forward to this with cautious optimism. It's a solid production and director list with apparently limited chance of following the typical pre-investor call PR releases followed by multiple directors and writers until we never hear about it again, a la Star Trek, with the sole purpose of maintaining rights, but so much fear, doubt, and shell-shock from movies today...

Will the same writers and producers do better than "Go home, Sam" or whatever "dramatic reversal" they invent to "improve" Tolkien's word choices?

Is this invented fan fiction a la Rings of Power or is it Tolkien?

Will they continue the decimation of "Hollywood" by inserting a political message/agenda? Will they precede the release with a defensive posture against fans? It's certainly not Jackson's style, but times have changed.

Will contemporary identity politics dictate story and wag the dog to age the movie? Or will story prevail and become ageless?

Will Jackson's steep slide into CGI hell continue on from The Hobbit?

Will there be orange/green color grading?

Will they stretch it into a trilogy?

Go ahead - restore my faith with good story, good writing, and escapism from "what the world looks like today."


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CuriousG
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May 9, 7:01pm

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The Road movie [In reply to] Can't Post

Coincidence that Viggo was in "The Road." Smile

Viggo cast as Aragorn or not, I keep thinking the same thing :


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The first that comes to mind is essentially a road movie, wherein Aragorn is off in the wild facing adventures hunting for the elusive Gollum, whom we perhaps only see traces of but don't see much of until the end. That's the simple version that I doubt would get made lol.


But then I keep reminding myself that I never imagined "The Hobbit" movies having Galadriel go to Dol Guldur, or an Elf-Dwarf romance, so, I probably should stop speculating. Except I can't help it, lol.


Junesong
Rohan


May 9, 7:06pm

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So I thought I'd take a stab at answering your rhetoricals:

Will the same writers and producers do better than "Go home, Sam" or whatever "dramatic reversal" they invent to "improve" Tolkien's word choices?
No. Probably not.

Is this invented fan fiction a la Rings of Power or is it Tolkien?
Like all adaptation, it will have to be a combination of the two. Especially if the story really does focus on Gandalf searching for Gollum and getting help from Aragorn and the elves. The info we get about this in Fellowship isn't nearly enough to pad a theatrical film. It's not about IF they combine Tolkien and their own imaginations - they will - it's about HOW they do it. It could be really cool.

Will they continue the decimation of "Hollywood" by inserting a political message/agenda? Will they precede the release with a defensive posture against fans? It's certainly not Jackson's style, but times have changed.
If you're looking for stuff like this you'll probably find it in whatever Jackson and co/Warner Brothers do with the film's promotion. Another good question could be - will fans hate on this from a long way off for silly, superficial culture war reasons? Probably. Will any casting/crew diversity be immediately attacked by SOME fans as being pandering or politically motivate? Sure.

Will contemporary identity politics dictate story and wag the dog to age the movie? Or will story prevail and become ageless?
Quite a cynical binary you have here - so I'm not sure how to answer this, even rhetorically. I'm guessing no. But it depends on how they try to "fill out" the story. It's possible they'll try to add their own thing like a strong woman character, or a character of colour in a prominent role, or even a non-traditional relationship that Tolkien maybe would never have included. I don't think would necessarily date or cheapen the movie. It totally depends on what it is and how it's done. Similarly, avoiding these "identity politics" or "wag the dog" additions won't necessarily ensure that story will prevail or become ageless. I don't think these things are as related as your question implies. A good story can prevail and be timeless, sure - but no one knows how or why. There is no ingredient list to guarantee it. Conversely, I see no reason to make a list of ingredients that would definitely prevent this either.
Will Jackson's steep slide into CGI hell continue on from The Hobbit?
Most definitely. Although it will still be Serkis's call. He strikes me as a fantastic director who loves CGI as a tool - but only a tool to sharpen the story. He's never struck me as someone who's fallen off the CGI cliff. But as you say a few times in your post - times have changed.

Will there be orange/green color grading?
If there is - I'll probably only notice or care if the internet tells me to. And even then... it's not something that's ever been a dealbreaker. I still can't see the problem with any of the LOTR movies - and I have the "green" version of Fellowship on blu-ray. It's a big shrug from me.

Will they stretch it into a trilogy?
Safe to say this is just the beginning of what I describe a few posts above this as "wringing Tolkien's stories out like a dirty washcloth" - I think they'll keep making movies about Middle Earth in varying (likely descending) quality until people stop paying for tickets. (See the DCU, MCU, Star Wars, etc for the precedent here)

Go ahead - restore my faith with good story, good writing, and escapism from "what the world looks like today."
We may be surprised. Let's call it a fool's hope. But I'm with you - not excited. Taking it as both good and bad news. Excited to revisit ME with Serkis and Jackson and the crew - but also feeling like everytime these guys have touched Tolkien since 2003 they've made things worse. I've never wanted to be wrong more than now. But I think there's a better chance of the fandom eventually loving the five seasons of ROP than there is of any of us loving whatever MEU content WB throws at us. We had our moment in the late nineties when an obscure Tolkien lover/filmmaker got a chance to make a passion project with a bunch of people who all loved Tolkiens words and creations and set out to bring them to screen. Reading about the making of LOTR is like looking at pictures of a unicorn -they weren't chasing boxoffice succes, or ciritical appreciation, or awards, or cash, or a better job for the resume. They were chasing their love of Tolkien - and it blew the whole world away.
That doesn't exist now. Every single person involved in Middle Earth media now has dollar signs for eyes. It would be impossible not to. The genie is out of the bottle. The studios know the IP is valuable. Return on investment is the god that's worshipped now.


"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."


Ataahua
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May 9, 7:19pm

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There just isn't much story there to work with. [In reply to] Can't Post

We've got the barest of bones between Gollum leaving the Misty Mountains and being captured by the Elves and Sauron. And they're telling it over *two* movies?

I'm sceptical. I mean, I'll see the movies, but I honestly don't expect them to be more than OK, if we're lucky.

And yes, I'm concerned about scraping the Middle-earth story over too much bread, too.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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My LOTR fan-fiction


Otaku-sempai
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May 9, 7:28pm

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Well, The Hunt for Gollum, itself, seems to be a one-off. We don't know anything about the second film yet; like The War of the Rohirrim, it could be set centuries before the War of the Ring.

“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella

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cats16
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May 9, 8:04pm

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Don't blame you lol. [In reply to] Can't Post

It's funny, we're at the point where Viggo could easily shift to play Gandalf himself - honestly I'd watch that just to see what he did with the role, but I'm not sure someone would spend $200 million for me to find out, haha.

I'm curious how the upcoming Furiosa movie is received - I would sort of imagine The Hunt for Gollum living in a similar space: did we need the movie? No, not technically, but if it's going to exist, then what's the best version of it that'll make us erase any doubts.

We'll have a couple of years to speculate either way!

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cats16
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May 9, 8:06pm

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Perhaps I misread the announcement [In reply to] Can't Post

but I took it to mean this is the first of two LOTR-related movies they're making - not that The Hunt for Gollum is a two-parter.

But I'll have to check the various sites as sometimes you get conflicting info between Variety, Deadline, etc.

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Ataahua
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May 9, 8:11pm

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That's fair. [In reply to] Can't Post


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We don't know anything about the second film yet


'The deal covers two films in the franchise' - and as you rightly point out, that line doesn't say that the second film is a sequel to the Gollum movie.

Although between PJ's love of telling a story the long way around and the industry's love of sequels, I reckon it's even money that we get more than one Gollum film.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Fantasy novel - The Arcanist's Tattoo

My LOTR fan-fiction


Annael
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May 9, 8:46pm

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oh dear. [In reply to] Can't Post

I've watched over the years as PJ has fallen victim to what I call "George Lucas Syndrome" - becoming more and more prone to overdoing the things he finds fun/interesting without seeking second opinions or hiring people who would bring a critical eye to the work and help him rein himself in. If we go only by how much bigger and grosser the Orcs got with each suceeding LOTR/Hobbit film, they'll probably hit King Kong size in these.

I found The Hobbit films nigh unwatchable, and my first reaction to this news was one of dread. I will wait for reviews but I'm not hopeful.

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CuriousG
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May 9, 10:07pm

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Ataahua
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May 9, 10:11pm

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If that's not enough to get the trebuchet out, I don't know what is. / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Fantasy novel - The Arcanist's Tattoo

My LOTR fan-fiction


CuriousG
Half-elven


May 9, 10:14pm

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Viggo as Gandalf--I would like to see that! [In reply to] Can't Post

I guess I wonder also: are they testing the waters with this announcement to gauge fan feedback, or are the scripts set in stone at this point? I'm tempted to stay that a lot could still change, and I'd like to think that maybe they're doing market research by watching reactions.


DGHCaretaker
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May 9, 10:28pm

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Organic [In reply to] Can't Post

Very nice reply, thanks.

I should have included 'organic' as a concept and a word in my previous post - a serious omission. Strong women and diversity are great, done organically. Think Ripley, Sarah Connor, so many others, and The Expanse as a recent fantastic example. Let that idea color my post. Corporate policy wagging the story is not organic.


Lissuin
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May 9, 11:04pm

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My theory: [In reply to] Can't Post

There are people throughout the entertainment biz who support ongoing Tolkien-based productions because they are afraid that if they stop then TORN might shut up shop completely and disappear from the interwebs! Am I right?! Am I right?!

Think about it: a new film/show appears; Tornfolk go nutso before and during; life feels all juicy. Then, when everything that can be said has been said many many times, it goes unnaturally quiet around here and everyone seems to have taken the last ship into the west (except in the Reading Room where there are very lovely discussions going on about Middle-earth, and in Off Topic where there are lovely discussions going on about real life Smile ).

Noooooooo! Suddenly they realize.........they miss us! When the weight of the Hollyworld is just too much, what better place is there to visit at 2:00 a.m. when yuh just can't sleep and you're wondering if anyone cares anymore whether or not CGI Balrogs have wings, etc, eh? And so, those folks in Miramar and Los Angeles figure we need a new board at TORN. "Thanks!", say I.

So, go for it, Tornadoes! Let's do what we do best - puzzle, ponder, perturb, pester, predict and promulgate!
Don't things suddenly feel a whole lot juicier today?!

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CuriousG
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May 10, 12:49am

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I think Ataahua gets credit for setting these new movies into motion [In reply to] Can't Post

as revealed in her post here about PJ's $2 billion windfall:


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Now if only he'd get going on his outstanding movie projects


Clearly the magic power that gives life to the movies resides in TORN. And Ataahua. Smile We can only hope that we use our power for good and don't get corrupted by it.


Ataahua
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May 10, 1:57am

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I will gladly take all credit, if the movies are good. [In reply to] Can't Post

If they're bad, I'll dodge all blame. Tongue

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Fantasy novel - The Arcanist's Tattoo

My LOTR fan-fiction


Otaku-sempai
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May 10, 2:00am

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I never mentioned Viggo [In reply to] Can't Post


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I doubt he would want to do it again even with CGI youthening or AI. It should be too active a role.

Somebody should tell Tom Cruise it’s time to give up the mission impossible series.



I tend to agree, but I stated nothing about Viggo. You're thinking of the post that I was responding to.

“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella


Ataahua
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May 10, 2:01am

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What a lovely gesture from PJ [In reply to] Can't Post

to help us keep ticking over. Very generous of him. Tongue

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Fantasy novel - The Arcanist's Tattoo

My LOTR fan-fiction


Patty
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May 10, 2:18am

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I know you didn’t mention him, I was doing my own musing… [In reply to] Can't Post

I tend to really like continuity, the same people and everything. But obviously we couldn’t have the same Saruman and I’m thinking that probably Elrond, if he were skirted in there somewhere somehow, wouldn’t be played by Hugo either. I’m sure we will see a whole stretching out of Gollum going up into the trees on a daily basis and then his escape. They could make this into one movie successfully I would think. But I hope not two.

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Ataahua
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May 10, 2:32am

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Cate Blanchett, however, remains ageless. / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Fantasy novel - The Arcanist's Tattoo

My LOTR fan-fiction


Patty
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May 10, 2:36am

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So, so true. [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope there is a way that they can shoehorn her into the story if she’s willing. Perhaps Aragorn passes through Lothlorian on his way to get to Moria to pick up Gollum’s trail.

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Otaku-sempai
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May 10, 2:41am

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Interesting Point [In reply to] Can't Post

There's no definitive need to include Elrond in the story; however, I could certainly see Aragorn visiting Rivendell--perhaps even recruiting Elladan and Elrohir for his mission (at least for a time). It's possible that Hugo Weaving could reprise the role, but it might be more practical to just recast.

I could also imagine Lee Pace reprising the role of Thranduil. We might also see more of Tauriel, whether or not she is played by Evangeline Lilly.

“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella


Otaku-sempai
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May 10, 2:45am

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Maybe not Moria [In reply to] Can't Post


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I hope there is a way that they can shoehorn her into the story if she’s willing. Perhaps Aragorn passes through Lothlorian on his way to get to Moria to pick up Gollum’s trail.


Would it work to have Aragorn enter Khazad-dum after the failure of Balin's colony? I've always thought that Aragorn must have visited Moria sometime before Balin's expedition, possibly during his time in either Rohan or Gondor. It would not have had anything to do with his search for Gollum.

“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella

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Patty
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May 10, 2:45am

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Oh, golly, the whole Tauriel storyline was what I most hated about the Hobbit [In reply to] Can't Post

So please , no.

The twin elves on the other hand, I think could successfully be put in there. But perhaps it’s because I really enjoyed the fan film Born of Hope that they were in. I think that would be a successful way to pad the stories not some jacked up love story.

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Patty
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May 10, 2:49am

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And just like the fan film Born of Hope… [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf could meet with Aragorn in Bree and discuss getting hold of Gollum. Time for me to watch that movie again before they take it off of YouTube.

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Lissuin
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May 10, 3:03am

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Indeed. The Elf queen does not age. [In reply to] Can't Post



So, two down. Just a few more roles to fill!


cats16
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May 10, 3:10am

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Angelic

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Ataahua
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May 10, 3:18am

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:D / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Fantasy novel - The Arcanist's Tattoo

My LOTR fan-fiction


AshNazg
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May 10, 1:13pm

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Is this the Bridge movie that del Toro was planning? [In reply to] Can't Post

They had a draft script and some pre-production work done back when The Hobbit was going to be one movie with a bridge sequel.

I imagine they were sitting on all that hard work for years waiting to release it - they even hint at it with Thranduil's line about Strider in BoFA.

I'm curious if they were planning to release this as a Hobbit sequel but since the trilogy's reception declined with each installment they decided to shelve it until people got hungry again?


Junesong
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May 10, 2:13pm

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Promising [In reply to] Can't Post

Now this is a theory that I can get excited about

"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."


Otaku-sempai
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May 10, 2:19pm

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[Oh, golly, the whole Tauriel storyline was what I most hated about the Hobbit] So please , no.

The twin elves on the other hand, I think could successfully be put in there. But perhaps it’s because I really enjoyed the fan film Born of Hope that they were in. I think that would be a successful way to pad the stories not some jacked up love story.



I wan't very happy with the whole Tauriel/Kili subplot, but without that she could have been a pretty interesting character. The hunt for Gollum is not an overly complex story and lacks a cinematically satisfying ending. Maybe bringing back Tauriel and giving her character some closure might be an interesting way to flesh out the film.

What other, canonical, events that take place over the same period would it make sense to include?

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Otaku-sempai
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May 10, 2:28pm

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The hunt for Gollum almost certainly would have been one of the elements that would have been part of del Toro's bridge film. I imagine that other elements could be used to flesh out this story. Gollum's encounter with Shelob and his captivity and interrogation in Mordor will likely be included. Probably also the doubling of the Rangers' watch on the Shire. Elrond's sons Elladan and Elrohir could join Aragorn in the hunt. Perhaps Aragorn will meet with King Brand in Dale. Lee Pace could return in the role of Thranduil. Tauriel might join in the search or might have some news about Gollum's activities.

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CuriousG
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May 10, 2:44pm

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CuriousG
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May 10, 2:54pm

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Speaking of bridges--what if film #2 could be about Balin's attempt to recolonize Moria? [In reply to] Can't Post

I always loved the story Gandalf read from the chronicle: the ambitious journey to fight and retake the ancestral home, fighting over the Bridge of Khazad-dum, the hard work over 5 years to search for mithril, then the doomed, gradual closing of the net against them until "they are coming." Now THAT is a story I think could be a marvelous, action-oriented and visually stunning movie. I think some of the best cinematography in the FOTR movie was in Moria, and cgi has only gotten better in the 20+ years since. A guy can dream...


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May 10, 3:16pm

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If any of you have a couple hundred million you could lend me, I'd make this movie right now.

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Otaku-sempai
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May 10, 4:25pm

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Hunt for Gollum Fan-film Squashed [In reply to] Can't Post

And now Warners has suppressed the Hunt for Gollum fan-made film from a few years back. Not really a surprise.

Source: https://www.cbr.com/...quashed-warner-bros/

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Patty
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May 10, 5:04pm

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These are good ideas! [In reply to] Can't Post

And could still not stray too far from the books. The fewer made up characters the better, though. Lose Tauriel completely. If you feel Galadriel, perhaps Arwen in Rivendell (or, I guess Lothlorien) aren’t enough feminine interest (for those who couldn’t love the story without that) ..I don’t know what to say. I guess I am a real enough female, but I loved the books with even less feminine interest.. I think we should be given credit for being able to enjoy the movie without it.

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Patty
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May 10, 5:04pm

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These are good ideas! [In reply to] Can't Post

And could still not stray too far from the books. The fewer made up characters the better, though. Lose Tauriel completely. If you feel Galadriel, perhaps Arwen in Rivendell (or, I guess Lothlorien) aren’t enough feminine interest (for those who couldn’t love the story without that) ..I don’t know what to say. I guess I am a real enough female, but I loved the books with even less feminine interest.. I think we should be given credit for being able to enjoy the movie without it.

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Silvered-glass
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May 10, 5:30pm

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I should be excited but I'm feeling dread instead.

The story sounds like it's going to be by necessity 95% original PJ ideas, 5% Tolkien, and based on the Hobbit movies I don't expect for the original PJ ideas to be any good, though maybe he might produce something better with more time to plan things through.

The other issue is that the Tolkien "story" behind the movie is really just a fragment of backstory that I don't think is capable of standing on its own as an independent work and was never meant to do so.

I can see two main ways that the story could be realistically adapted in our situation:
a) A slapstick comedy in which Wile E. Coyote (Aragorn) hunts the roadrunner (Gollum) for three hours and gets him in the end.
b) A very dramatic and serious three-hour epic with kingdoms and armies from all the old fan-favorite countries culminating in an epic battle (more epic and dramatic than any ever filmed by PJ) over who gets to interrogate Gollum and learn about the One Ring. Denethor would probably appear as a side antagonist whose designs for the Ring Aragorn needs to thwart.

It's dismal. I think I would prefer the comedy option. Comedies can withstand plot issues in a way that dramas can't.


AshNazg
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May 10, 6:05pm

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One thing we can guarantee is Lee Pace coming back for this. He's a key part of Gollum's story and Pace loved playing that role and has barely aged.

I expect we'll see Orlando Bloom again. Aragorn will have to be recast though, right? Who could fill those boots? Barry Keoghan?


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AshNazg
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May 10, 6:07pm

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I wonder what right they have to do this... [In reply to] Can't Post

Legal grey area, they weren't profiting from it as far as I know?


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May 10, 6:16pm

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Barry Keoghan seems about 10 years too young and doesn't really look the part of Aragprm to me. But maybe that is just my opinion. I wonder what Stewart Townsend is up to these days?

Keoghan:



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May 10, 6:22pm

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Warners is protecting their trademark and legal interests. Yes, they have the right to do this, it's still a crappy action to take.

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I should be excited but I'm feeling dread instead.

The story sounds like it's going to be by necessity 95% original PJ ideas, 5% Tolkien, and based on the Hobbit movies I don't expect for the original PJ ideas to be any good, though maybe he might produce something better with more time to plan things through.

The other issue is that the Tolkien "story" behind the movie is really just a fragment of backstory that I don't think is capable of standing on its own as an independent work and was never meant to do so.

I can see two main ways that the story could be realistically adapted in our situation:
a) A slapstick comedy in which Wile E. Coyote (Aragorn) hunts the roadrunner (Gollum) for three hours and gets him in the end.
b) A very dramatic and serious three-hour epic with kingdoms and armies from all the old fan-favorite countries culminating in an epic battle (more epic and dramatic than any ever filmed by PJ) over who gets to interrogate Gollum and learn about the One Ring. Denethor would probably appear as a side antagonist whose designs for the Ring Aragorn needs to thwart.

It's dismal. I think I would prefer the comedy option. Comedies can withstand plot issues in a way that dramas can't.



If PJ and his team can't make a cohesive film out of this that also pays respect to Tolkien then perhaps they'll have to abandon The Hunt for Gollum and branch off in a different direction. This really does feel like it would have been more appropriate for one of those animated, direct-to-video prequels that were fairly common in the 1990s and earl '00s.

“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella


AshNazg
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May 10, 6:52pm

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He just seems to be in everything lately and I'll bet he'll be involved in these movies somehow. I wouldn't be surprised if it was as Aragorn. Isn't Aragorn supposed to be in his late twenties during these events?

If I had a serious choice I'd probably go with Nicholas Hoult. Although it would be weird after him playing Tolkien.


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May 10, 7:12pm

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The hunt for Gollum began in T.A. 3001, sometime after Bilbo's farewell party. Aragorn was 70 years old then. But the search didn't really take off until the year 3009. Aragorn finally found and captured Gollum in 3017. However, if this movie is to be canonical with the previous films then he timeline would have to be drastically condensed!

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AshNazg
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May 10, 7:26pm

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I doubt they will set the movie during the events of FotR. It would be too confusing.

I imagine the events being directly after The Hobbit, Thranduil has just told Legolas to find someone called Strider - Gandalf points him in the right direction and says "bring him to Rivendell"

Legolas looks high and low and finds Aragorn drunk and beaten and disinterested. Legolas convinces him to come to Rivendell.

Aragorn is kinda lost and unmotivated but at Rivendell he meets Arwen for the first time.

She shows him Narsil, and gives him his motivation.

Gandalf sends them to the Misty Mountains to find out more about Gollum, they track him down and find him in Dol Guldur, which is still full of orcs.

They take Gollum to Thranduil and meet Gandalf who is concerned about Dol Guldur and Sauron, so he goes away to tell Galadriel and Elrond to prepare for war.

Meanwhile Dol Guldur attacks Thranduil's halls and Gollum is captured by orcs and taken to be tortured, there's a big battle.

Gandalf and Galadriel show up last minute with an army and win the battle. Galadriel goes to Dol Guldur and crumbles the ruins into dust so they'll never be a problem again.

The End... Kinda thing

We could also see the rebuilding of Barad Dur. The birth of The Eye, the Witch King moving into Minas Morgul. Just all the in-between stuff.


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Otaku-sempai
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May 10, 7:34pm

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You asked about the events within the legendarium. But even if the movie starts the search before Bilbo's birthday party, it can't be too early as it wouldn't be before Gandalf was having serious suspicions about Bilbo's "funny, magic ring". And Aragorn still can't succeed in capturing Gollum until not too long before the Council of Elrond. We are still looking at a condensed timeline.

To my mind, Aragorn still first meets Arwen at the beginning of his twentieth year and leaves Rivendell soon after. It just takes place later than in the book continuity--just a few years before the Battle of Five Armies.

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May 10, 7:42pm

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The Hunt for Gollum Fan-film Restored! [In reply to] Can't Post

Warners has removed their copyright strike against the Hunt for Gollum fan-film. Good for them!

You can watch the short film on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZWuxEwqYzM

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May 10, 8:59pm

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Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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May 10, 9:05pm

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The casting chat over the coming months will be fun. Smile

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Patty
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May 10, 9:50pm

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Howard Shore. His music was easily a very large portion of why the movies were so great.

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May 10, 10:46pm

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Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Fantasy novel - The Arcanist's Tattoo

My LOTR fan-fiction


CuriousG
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May 10, 11:36pm

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though I've only seen him polished, and he'd need to be able to be a dirty, weather-stained Ranger. Viggo set the gold standard to follow.


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May 11, 12:27am

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James Galway, though he is 84 is still performing. Bring him back for the flute tones in the music!

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Ethel Duath
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May 11, 3:16am

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and my roommate studied with him during that time (late 70's).
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Intergalactic Lawman
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May 11, 4:40am

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The questions you pose, are exactly the same concerns I have Cool


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Yva
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May 11, 7:53am

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That was my first thought [In reply to] Can't Post

That was my first thought, that this is basically the bridge movie the idea of which was floating around for quite a long time. Personally I always liked the idea, not least because The Shadow of the Past and Elrond's Council are my favourite chapters, so I say why not! What's interesting and a sign of the times is I'm not particularly worried about it being mediocre or of IP-milking nature (as that won't ruin my enjoyment of Tolkien) but somehow I'm worried about another diversity discussion pandemonium.


Silvered-glass
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May 11, 10:49am

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So I saw the fan film [In reply to] Can't Post

I had somehow never seen the fan film before. I was surprised by how good the cinematography in particular was. They had even done all the CGI from the scratch themselves, but it didn't look like that. It looked like they had spliced in moments from the original movies, but no, the look had just been recreated that well.

So if we assume that the official Hunt for Gollum film takes a roughly similar route as the fan film, we can expect some 140 extra minutes of pure filler. The fan film already extended the premise with reasonable levels of easy-to-predict filler such as Orcs attacking and a Nazgűl appearing. The official film would then be expected to have Orcs and Nazgűl attacking even more times in greater numbers and in longer scenes, plus probably other monsters such as Trolls and Wargs. There would also be expected to be more dealings with side characters and their individual plots. Proportionally the official movie would have no realistic way of not ending up much worse than the Hobbit movies in terms of filler.


priell3
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May 12, 1:37pm

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I watched it too... [In reply to] Can't Post

I watched THFG when it was released, and just watched it again.

It's a very well produced fan film and PJ and his crew will have a hard time meeting that standard. The Hobbit movies were a let down for me.

I think I made a DVD of The Hunt For Gollum fan film, good to have if it ever gets scrubbed by the studios again. I also have the complete music soundtrack which I enjoy on occasion. The soundtrack ties in well with Shore's music.

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Lissuin
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May 12, 9:54pm

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Wellington is pretty excited. The Post: [In reply to] Can't Post

https://www.thepost.co.nz/...ised_module#cxrecs_s

What we already know plus some local reaction. Yes!


Archestratie
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May 15, 12:42pm

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I'm thinking back to the early rumors of the Amazon LotR series, and how we heard their first idea was something like a Young Aragorn and Legolas buddy cop show that may have involved the hunting of Gollum. I wonder if it's possible that the Young Aragorn idea truly was Amazon's first choice and when they checked with WB, WB said, "Nah, we might want to do something with that in the future." And then, rather than have to negotiate with WB every time they wanted to write a script for their show, Amazon just chose to set everything in the Second Age instead. This way, there would be no conflict with future productions from New Line. Possible?

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AshNazg
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May 17, 11:19pm

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What I suggested isn't is fan canon... [In reply to] Can't Post

Reading the Tale of Years and Of the Rings of Power, Aragorn meets Arwen very shortly after the Battle of Five Armies, it is said he was out on some errands with Elrond's sons. Well we just replace the sons with Legolas and it all fits. Aragorn would be about 27 when he meets Arwen. Not a big change.

Gandalf already has suspicions about Bilbo's ring at the end of BoFA. He explicitly says so to Bilbo and gives him a dark look. That is enough for Gandalf to wonder "Who was this Gollum chap" and want him hunted down. So he gets Legolas and Aragorn to do so.

The book tells us 2951 - Gollum heads to Mordor and the Nazgul reoccupy Dol Guldur. But why?? What's Gollum doing? Wouldn't he more likely be tracking Bilbo and end up lost in Mirkwood or Dol Guldur?

It says Aragorn later does errantries for Gandalf under the name Thorongil. Well this could be one of his tasks. We then take all of the Hunt for Gollum that was cut from FotR and place it 20 years earlier, tying it with the attack of Dol Guldur on Thranduil's Halls. (There's no way the hunt and questioning etc all took place during Gandalf's short excursion to Minas Tirith, it would be weird to retcon that in now)

There's no reason at all this needs to take place after Bilbo's birthday or before the Council. It's completely arbitrary when it happens, as long as Gandalf has the information that Gollum knows "Shire" and "Baggins" then he can piece it all together after reading Isildur's account.


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AshNazg
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May 17, 11:38pm

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Aragorn can't meet Arwen before BoFA.. [In reply to] Can't Post

Thranduil says Aragorn goes by the name Strider in the wild and "His real name you must discover for yourself"

This means Aragorn is still hiding his true name. He receives his name from Elrond shortly before meeting Arwen. So this must be just after BoFA


Otaku-sempai
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May 18, 12:55am

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If you mean Tolkien's "Tale of Years" (Appendix B), Aragorn is only 10 years old at the time of the Quest of Erebor. How is 2951 "shortly after the Battle of Five Armies"? If you are looking at my version for the films, take it with a grain of salt or two. I'm not going to claim that it's completely accurate. If (film) Aragorn was 87 when Sauron fell then his twentieth birthday was in 2935, fifteen years before PJ's Hobbit films.

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May 18, 1:05am

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Thranduil says Aragorn goes by the name Strider in the wild and "His real name you must discover for yourself"

This means Aragorn is still hiding his true name. He receives his name from Elrond shortly before meeting Arwen. So this must be just after BoFA



Let us assume that Aragorn was 87 when the One Ring is destroyed (in book-canon, he was 88, but we'll ignore that). In Peter Jackson's Middle-earth that places Aragorn's year of birth at 2915 (Third Age). That means that if Elrond revealed his true name and ancestry to him on his twentieth birthday, the year was 2935. Aragorn should first meet Arwen in Imladris about that same time, with him setting out into the Wild soon after. So Aragorn is about 25 years old at the time of the Battle of Five Armies. Just because he is not using his real name in the Wild does not mean that he doesn't know it. Aragorn routinely used aliases when he journeyed, he had to as he was being hunted by the Dark Lord.

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Otaku-sempai
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May 18, 6:31pm

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Reading the Tale of Years and Of the Rings of Power, Aragorn meets Arwen very shortly after the Battle of Five Armies, it is said he was out on some errands with Elrond's sons. Well we just replace the sons with Legolas and it all fits. Aragorn would be about 27 when he meets Arwen. Not a big change.

Gandalf already has suspicions about Bilbo's ring at the end of BoFA. He explicitly says so to Bilbo and gives him a dark look. That is enough for Gandalf to wonder "Who was this Gollum chap" and want him hunted down. So he gets Legolas and Aragorn to do so.

The book tells us 2951 - Gollum heads to Mordor and the Nazgul reoccupy Dol Guldur. But why?? What's Gollum doing? Wouldn't he more likely be tracking Bilbo and end up lost in Mirkwood or Dol Guldur?

It says Aragorn later does errantries for Gandalf under the name Thorongil. Well this could be one of his tasks. We then take all of the Hunt for Gollum that was cut from FotR and place it 20 years earlier, tying it with the attack of Dol Guldur on Thranduil's Halls. (There's no way the hunt and questioning etc all took place during Gandalf's short excursion to Minas Tirith, it would be weird to retcon that in now)

There's no reason at all this needs to take place after Bilbo's birthday or before the Council. It's completely arbitrary when it happens, as long as Gandalf has the information that Gollum knows "Shire" and "Baggins" then he can piece it all together after reading Isildur's account.



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If you mean Tolkien's "Tale of Years" (Appendix B), Aragorn is only 10 years old at the time of the Quest of Erebor. How is 2951 "shortly after the Battle of Five Armies"? If you are looking at my version for the films, take it with a grain of salt or two. I'm not going to claim that it's completely accurate. If (film) Aragorn was 87 when Sauron fell then his twentieth birthday was in 2935, fifteen years before PJ's Hobbit films.



Sorry, I made a big error there! Film-Aragorn's twentieth birthday would have been five years before the Quest of Erebor (or six years before if he was actually 88 years old when the Ring was destroyed). So Aragorn would have been 25 (or 26) years old at the time of PJ's Battle of Five Armies.

And in case you had not seen it, here is that "Tale of Years" I developed for Peter Jackson's Middle-earth (or an early version of it): http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=905150#905150.

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DGHCaretaker
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May 18, 11:30pm

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I suppose this might mean the permanent Hobbiton will get a paint job.


Otaku-sempai
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May 19, 2:05am

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I suppose this might mean the permanent Hobbiton will get a paint job.



There could be a few Hobbiton scenes, especially a the beginning.

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DGHCaretaker
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May 19, 3:10am

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Appropriately, I see there's a new topic post by Eruonen in the Main forum about "A Tour of Hobbiton Movie Set | Nerd in New Zealand Nerd of the Ring" that has a link to a 39-minute YouTube video. It looks well-maintained.


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Lissuin
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May 22, 10:55pm

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TORN quoted on 2009 'Hunt for Gollum' short-lived takedown: NYTimes article today [In reply to] Can't Post

Who yuh gonna call/email? Xoanon!
Cheers, mate!

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The removal “was an ‘uh-oh’ moment for the fan base,” Michael Regina, a founder of the popular fan site TheOneRing.net, said in an email. Shortly after the takedown, Bouchard appealed YouTube’s decision and explained his movie’s status as a noncommercial film.

Early on, he had reached an agreement with the Tolkien estate ensuring that his project would respect its intellectual property, and that it would be freely available and noncommercial. “We were lucky that they looked kindly on it as something that was for the fan community,” Bouchard said.



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My understanding is that Tolkien did sketch out a subplot where Gollum was brought back to life by a Genesis Device, his living spirit having been transferred to Frodo just before he fell to his death. The challenge is to reunite mind and body, which is what the new film is about.

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Jul 7, 3:16pm

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My understanding is that Tolkien did sketch out a subplot where Gollum was brought back to life by a Genesis Device, his living spirit having been transferred to Frodo just before he fell to his death. The challenge is to reunite mind and body, which is what the new film is about.

TP.



Naw, you're thinking of The Search for Gollum, a completely different story. Wink

At least The Hunt for Gollum is a tale that should easily be a done-in-one. Come to think of it, this would have been a good subject for an animated, direct-to-video promotional prequel to Peter Jackson's Lotr trilogy.

“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella

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