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Tolkien Topics: Movie Discussion: The Hobbit:
On dismissing grunts in Elvish whilst in the midst of matters of state:
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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
Apr 12 2014, 3:44am
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On dismissing grunts in Elvish whilst in the midst of matters of state
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(In reply to this post of yours in Thread II)
Interesting. I think that lapsing back into Elvish at such moments also is more effective at getting the message across, since it's directed specifically at another Elf. Maybe there's also a sense of unity/pride to not let the orc understand it was a really curt dismissal of an Elf? Plus if the orc can spout his home dialect, maybe Thranduil just want to show him 2 can play at the same game and at the same time show he is in control. The orc riles up an Elf in front of the King, goading her to the point she is in process of killing him, but the King shows him exactly how things are beyond him, but completely within the King's grasp because he can stop her with 1 word even mid-kill. Intimidation by exclusive intimation? (I do feel left out and just a bit insecure when I'm among people who are talking in a language I don't understand. Even when they're colleagues who are just talking through stuff so they can tell me their conclusions in English. Actually, particularly when they're not conversing in English and I'm the only one who is clueless. Its maddening and even though you know its not a deliberate thing, and they jsut feel more comfortable and confident to thrash things in the native tongue among themselves)
I'd also go with option 3, filmmaker's choice please.
Yes, he did. And yet otherwise, during the interrogation scene, no Elvish. So, do Orcs not understand Elvish and Thranduil didn't want it to know what he was saying to her (exactly)? Or, was Thranduil just getting a bit emotional, causing a switch to Elvish? Or do the filmmakers just have the characters switch to Elvish occationally to remind us it's what they're actually speaking all the time? (As odd as that possibility sounds.)
I want to say it's the 'emotional' choice. Because Thranduil does not use Elvish at all when he speaks to Tauriel about Legolas's attraction, and I get the feeling that it was a very calculated confrontation - for him. Then it would make sense for him to spew lot of Elvish in the missing scene of his confrontation with Legolas, who probably tells dad he's off after Tauriel (obviously the last thing Thranduil would want to hear).
Yeah... agreed. Though I find it just a bit strange to switch and switch again. Was expecting a segue to minimise the subtitle reading... but to then segue back... but well, Elvish is lovely to hear, so I'm not complaining.
And then we get the difference of opinion scene between Legolas and Tauriel, in which they switch from Whatever English Is A Stand In For to Elvish and back again. Some feeling is being exchanged, I think.
That's a gripe of mine - what was that about? Unless it was to show how business is conducted in the usual Elf border protection day. But then why not more of Thranduil's Elvish?
Of course, there's still that short scene between Legolas and the door guard, all in Elvish. So, unless that Elf is a very good friend or a relative, my 'emotional' theory falls flat. :/
Fixed! see my previous post 
(Darn, I can't see that vid either. :p )
Also: Thanks, but that vid's not new though.
Elvenking enthrallment
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Thranduil Appreciation thread III
Thranduil Appreciation thread II
Thranduil Appreciation thread
(This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Apr 12 2014, 3:54am)
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