Young Sauron Flashback Featurette
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Jack Lowden is the show's other Sauron, "about 1000 years before the first season."
I finally realized why it's so wrong for Celebrimbor to make the Three Elven Rings first. The Three are supposed to be the culmination of all of his craft--his masterworks. That's why it makes no sense to introduce them so early.
I finally realized why it's so wrong for Celebrimbor to make the Three Elven Rings first. The Three are supposed to be the culmination of all of his craft--his masterworks. That's why it makes no sense to introduce them so early.
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DwellerInDale
Rohan
It would be interesting to hear your actual analysis of why the showrunners decided to have the three made first instead of last. I've always thought that the reasons were fairly obvious. First, Season 1 needed a strong, climactic finale (as an aside, look at what happened with Season 2 of House of the Dragon, a series that shot itself in the foot by having a season finale where nothing much happened). This meant that we had to have some rings forged. But how to do this in the time available? If the seven or the nine were forged in Season 1, then we would have needed to introduce Dwarf Lords or Kings of Men, and we would have needed Sauron to be in the open, influencing Celebrimbor from the beginning. This would have not only negated the mystery surrounding Sauron but would also have shunted Galadriel and Elrond to the side- our main characters. Add to this, probably the vast majority of the viewers had not read the books in such depth; the three being made last is only mentioned in passing in several places if I remember correctly. However, most viewers will recall the verse, "Three rings for the Elven Kings...", and they may remember the prologue to Jackson's The Fellowship of the Ring, where Galadriel says "Three were given to the Elves...". So the solution was to have the three made without Sauron's direct involvement by having Galadriel out him as Halbrand before they could be forged, and to have Sauron return later and reveal himself to Celebrimbor in Season 2 as "Annatar", a bringer of gifts. We can still have Celebrimbor consider the three to be his greatest works- he may be somewhat frustrated at the beginning of Season 2 by not quite being able to match his accomplishment and thus needing some help...leaving him susceptible to Sauron's ultimate deception.
Note that this is my own analysis of why they decided to have the three forged first-- not saying that this was "right" or "wrong". But certainly this was not done because "the showrunners have no respect for Tolkien" or any such silly reasoning.
Note that this is my own analysis of why they decided to have the three forged first-- not saying that this was "right" or "wrong". But certainly this was not done because "the showrunners have no respect for Tolkien" or any such silly reasoning.
Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Yes, I understand the reasons why the Three were introduced at the end of Season 1. I won't go into any detailed analysis since it would just be echoing your own points. What I should have stated was that their early introduction makes no sense from the perspective of Celebrimbor's character development. As you note, a change of perspective is needed to comprehend Payne & McKay's reasoning.
DwellerInDale
Rohan
Oh, I see. Perhaps they will have the apex of Celebrimbor's character development/story arc occur when he and Narvi complete the Door and the Dwarf Lords accept the Seven. I suppose we'll find out soon enough.
NecromancerRising
Grey Havens
for this season[cool]
Michelle Johnston
Gondor
In season 1 the show runners put the joists in place but we who know the back story could see through to Tolkiens foundations. Now with the second season they are going to lay the floor boards down and nail them in to place, obscuring the professors particular choices, and we will now gain a very clear picture of how, in this reinvented world, all the pieces sat once Morgoth was banished.
I found it interesting that Charlie talked about needing Celebrimbor and all his craft and talent to realise his ambitions.
Celebrimbor having fashioned the Elven Rings, will be the subject of intellectual theft and Annatar will introduce his own narrative into the making of the subsequent rings in order for him to acquire control over their keepers, a fascinating but subtle twist in their relationship to the one we are familiar with.
I am very intrigued to see how this plays out.
I found it interesting that Charlie talked about needing Celebrimbor and all his craft and talent to realise his ambitions.
Celebrimbor having fashioned the Elven Rings, will be the subject of intellectual theft and Annatar will introduce his own narrative into the making of the subsequent rings in order for him to acquire control over their keepers, a fascinating but subtle twist in their relationship to the one we are familiar with.
I am very intrigued to see how this plays out.
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Fichtenbrenner
Bree
I would have hired different actors, someone who is more mysterious in his appearance, maybe more ethereal. These two guys are very "normal" - you don't get that "larger than life" vibes that you could see with Sauron in the FotR movie and very shortly also in the first episode of TRoP.
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
I"m not sure that that's a fair comparison. Sauron, in FotR, is more of a special effect than an actual character, even when we see him in the War of the Last Alliance. He's just this huge, faceless, armored figure.
If he was trying to manipulate and appeal to orcs he should have looked more orcish and intimidating, make him 8 foot tall and maybe give him fiery "Eye of Sauron" eyes, a really dramatic god-like appearance would have looked better for this flashback scene.
But his fair form I think was well cast. I just really hate contact lenses, why not digitally colour his eyes if they really need to. Contacts look so plastic and soulless.
But his fair form I think was well cast. I just really hate contact lenses, why not digitally colour his eyes if they really need to. Contacts look so plastic and soulless.
