You mean we have to get in a boat? This week in GOLD we leave the protection of Lothlórien and take to the Great River.

Lossefalme

Gondor
The Great River (#s 658 – 668) delays the inevitable decision for the fellowship a little longer. Journey with us to the Falls of Rauros!

The Great River

1. 658. Sam shoots a disgusted glance back towards Strider when in the boats are leaving Lórien (he's NOT happy about being in a boat) and has a continued look of irritation while sailing on the River Anduin.
Samgettinginboat.jpg


SamontheRiver.jpg

The original screencaps may be found here and here.

Poor Sam! I think this might be one of the hardest parts of the journey for him to date. He just looks miserable.


2. 659. **Legolas is helping with the packing and is walking behind Galadriel and Aragorn as they talk.

Legolas? Working? What’s that about? Anyone with hair that perfect can’t possibly help pack things up!


3. 660. **While helping pack the boats to leave Lothlórien, twice Boromir watches Celeborn and Strider as they talk.
CelebornandAragorn.jpg


BoromirLookingatCeleborn.jpg

The original screencaps may be found here and here.

Poor Boromir. He is already a casualty of the Ring.


3. 661. **Boromir is tossing provisions into the boat behind Merry & Pippin as they talk about how many lembas wafers they'd eaten.

MerryandPippinaftereatingLembas.jpg

The original screencap may be found here.

I got the biggest kick out of this exchange. The elves didn’t count on the appetites of hobbits!


4. 662. They keep the boats in the center of the river where the current is strongest, their farthest from shore, and there are fewer obstacles. (Wait! Is that a log drifting behind them?)
GollumandhisLog.jpg

The original screencap may be found here.


I love this screenshot. It’s really creepy and so very much in keeping with the books. I always wish that it could have been included in the TE.


5. 663. The Uruk-hai have the "White Hand" of Saruman painted on their faces.
TheWhiteHandontheUruk-Hai.jpg

The original screencap may be found here.

I always wonder what was used for that because it appears to be painful when they get it put on and permanent as well. Btw, look at the size of that hand print!


6. 664. Legolas is suddenly staring at his left and Lurtz at his right, it seems as if both of them are looking at each other: as two mirrors of the same picture, two extremes: the Elf, and the perfected corruption of the Elf.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1049253/LegolasSensingDanger.jpg
The original screencap may be found here.
http://www.framecaplib.com/lotrlib/html/episodes/images/fotr/fotr1418.htm

I couldn’t find a screencap of Lurtz at that exact moment, but it is very effective. They both seem to sense that they are drawing closer to one another. I love the idea that they are “the Elf, and the perfected corruption of the Elf.”


7. 665. As the Fellowship is going down the river, the Hobbits are always sitting one behind the other. As they pass the Argonath, Merry and Pippin are sitting side by side - again showing just how small the Hobbits are meant to be.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1049253/MerryandPippin.jpg
The original screencap may be found here.
http://www.framecaplib.com/lotrlib/html/episodes/images/fotr/fotr1440.htm

I love their awed expression. It’s a good reminder not only of the might of the Kings of old that they could create these massive works, but also of how all of this is still so new and overwhelming to the hobbits.


8. 666. You can see where the stone for the great statues was quarried-- it looks like gigantic steps leading down to the river.
667. Narsil is in the hand of Elendil's figure at the Argonath (in the book, they're holding axes).
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1049253/AragonathHoldingNarsil.jpg
The original screencap may be found here.
http://www.framecaplib.com/lotrlib/html/episodes/images/fotr/fotr1438.htm

I don’t know if picture really shows what this observation is referring to as far as the quarrying of rocks goes, but I just love this shot. Amazing!

How do we know it’s Narsil? It’s probably in the appendices, which I haven’t managed to get through yet!


9. 668. There’s a bird's nest in the right eye of the last king we see at the Argonath (complete with baby birds).
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1049253/AragonathwithNest.jpg
The original screencap may be found here.
http://www.framecaplib.com/lotrlib/html/episodes/images/fotr/fotr1441.htm

Could that be it in his right eye? I can’t honestly say that I see this for sure, but I love that someone managed to pick up on it if it’s there. Impressive!


10. Your turn! Well, what say you?!?


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which is fitting for the directionally-challenged Elf.

664. Legolas is suddenly staring at his left and Lurtz at his right, it seems as if both of them are looking at each other: as two mirrors of the same picture, two extremes: the Elf, and the perfected corruption of the Elf.

As the Fellowship are going downstream, west is to their right and east is to their left. But when Lurtz growls he looks over his right shoulder (away from the river) and Legolas reacts by looking over his left shoulder (toward Mordor). Their actions should have been reversed - and the director of this scene should have known that LOTR fans know the map of Middle-earth like the back of their hand.
 
...and can't really spot it on the screencap you linked, but that doesn't mean someone more eagle-eyed than me didn't see it.

I do like how they worked in that Sam wasn't comfortable in the boat -- that makes the "you can't swim" line at the end more credible.

I also like the combination of shots of the ultra-cool Lurtz and the ultra-cool Legolas. The way they contrast these characters, and the calm river journey with the pursuit that's building, is very effective.

And now that I've seen what screencaps you've used here, I'll go back and post the final SCOD for this week! I rather like that we are on the same scene this week!

Thanks as always, Lossefalme!
 
Some things just jump out at me and annoy the dickens out of me. Backwards letters on signs (It used to happen more often before computers got involved) is one. That wrong side of the bank thing is something I notice everytime and I always sort of wince and grumble.
 
That is Narsil.

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Elendil has Narsil in the prologue. It's this sword that is shattered and used by Isildur to cut the Ring off Sauron's hand. The shards have been kept in Rivendell and displayed on that statue's tray. I guess the only explicit reference we get in the movie is Boromir saying, 'The Shards of Narsil. The sword that cut the Ring from Sauron's hand." One would have to work out the rest - the sword was Elendil's and this statue is Elendil therefore the sword is Narsil - for one's self.
 
I always wondered about that, but since I'm a bit directionally challenged I thought maybe it was me. Whew! Thanks, Ataahua!
 
I mean, I know Narsil's history, (after reading the books 100 times I had better! [;)]), but I just wondered if we knew that this particular sword was Narsil definitively or not. It makes perfect sense, though, and I think it's a nice tie-in. I actually think it's probably more fitting than an ax.

Btw, cool pic, Magpie! It makes the comparison really easy. I love your toys. Your sound clips and your site are awesome! I wish I had the capability to do some of that stuff, but since you have taken care of it for me I don't have to! Have a great day!
 
I mean, I know Narsil's history, (after reading the books 100 times I had better! [;)]), ...

ah, yes... I kind of figured you must. But I tend to take the approach of not assuming. I think I couldn't figure out what you were wondering. Now I understand. I'm glad you're a good sport about my approach to explaining everything. And it was a good excuse for creating the image! ;^)
 
Most of the time the people around here seem to know a heck of a lot more than me, so it's nice to know something. That's one of the great things about TORn. Most people are really patient, too, which is also a big plus.

The fact that PJ et al managed to include Narsil at the Argonath is a testament to their commitment to detail and the fact that one of our own noticed it is a testament to our true geekiness. I get such a kick out of these lists!
 
Hello everyone. I'm back from a 2-month hiatus - busy with work, family, and travel. Great to be back among such excellent and admirable TORn sibs.

One thing I always wondered about the white hand on the Uruk-Hai...how did it get upside down? It would difficult to do by someone standing in front of Lurtz. Perhaps it was done while he was on his knees or still lying down. What your thoughts on the upside-down Hand of Saruman?

Nuradar
 
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This seems to be the preferred method of getting those handprints onto the Uruk-Hai. (I think this was an inspired way to depict the White Hand emblem!)

And it's great to see you back! [:)]
 
These lists are some of the most fun a geek can have - figuring out all this stuff and noticing the details.
One of PJs greatest gifts was knowing if the movies worked at all, that we would stop the action and look for all this kind of stuff. I know he delighted in doing the detail just for us. Well, him, and all the folks he worked with.
Cheers, Lossefalme.
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The way I think on it is that a river sometimes turns back on itself, so indeed at some point the Anduin could well be looping to the north for a bit.

A rationalization, I know.
 
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