Will they show Galadriel leveling Dol Guldur?

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Galadriel is much more powerful than shown in any of the LOTR or Hobbit movies yet.

She is one of the eldest creatures in Middle Earth, born in Valinor before the First Age.
She is 7000+ years old, with only Cirdan, Treebeard and Bombadil as old or older.
She is Elrond's mother-in-law, and he is 6600 years old. Finarfin is her father.
She wields Nenya, the Ring of Water.
She levels Dol Guldur in the War of the Ring timeframe in the books.

The only way to preserve complete canon here would be to separately flash forward to show what eventually happens to Dol Guldur in the War of the Ring timeframe. Since that is unlikely, I am hoping beyond hope that they combine the following into one Battle of Dol Guldur:
- the fleeing of the Necromancer from Dol Guldur to Barad-Dur from the White Council's approach
- the leveling of Dol Guldur by Galadriel and a host from Rivendell and Lorien in the War of the Ring timeframe

This also seems attractive to PJ, because the Necromancer leaving Dol Guldur happend simultaneously to dealing with Smaug, so we can have two big fights to intercut like TTT's Helms Deep and Ents on Isengard.

I don't like making stuff up, but you have to admit it is our only chance to see Elder Days elves utterly destroy some evil. She is powerful enough to level the fortress walls and raze all of the underground pits and dungeons, as she did later in the books.

If they play it like what the book says, then the Necromancer just flees upon the mere approach of the White Council and there is no specific literal confrontation. So even if they don't fight him directly (which is fine), I still want to see Galadriel reduce Dol Guldur to gravel.
 
... only hope and pray that this is the case. I think that it will happen, considering the (incredibly ominous and intense) promise she makes to Gandalf in AUJ. Honestly, she is one of the most (if not THE most, second only perhaps to a Ring-empowered Sauron) powerful beings in Middle Earth during the Third Age. It would be weird not to have her throwing down the walls. If we actually get to see Galadriel (Cate is amazing in this role) take down Dol Guldur on-screen, I will be able to die a happy Tolkien-nerd.
 
Fran and Phillipa are bigging the character up saying she is the strongest being in ME - she will almost certainly level Dol Guldur - girl power and everything, lol.

Nah i think they will just because it looks cool and they dont mind changing time lines to suit.
 
Galadriel calls him Annatar, +10

Galadriel calls him Mairon, +100

I can see her mentioning at least Annatar, while addressing him to surrender his power and saying his deception as Annatar will not go unpunished.

Granted, Mairon is a stretch, not the least reason being that name is only mentioned in The Silmarillion. And he had taken the name Sauron before even she was born.

And yes, being the lone female (they already made up Tauriel to add another), who happens to really be more powerful than all the men, I can't believe they wouldn't leverage that finally.

This kind of battle would also be a huge nod to the fans, who can't see a Silmarillion-style magic-laced war "but it went something like this ...". I want to see wall sundering on a Helms Deep scale, but without gunpowder.
 
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I'm AFRAID that this is what is going to happen.

It really should be Saruman's devices forcing the Necromancer out. I'd prefer to see that and a flashforward to show what happens during the War of the Ring, but with the way the Bilbo/Frodo narrative is set up, it won't happen.

Saruman will be nixed.
 
Having consulted the Battle for Middle Earth II video game I can concur that she should have the power to level Dol Guldur. *inserts monacle*
 
They set it up in AUJ, both by her saying if Gandalf needs help she will come, and by showing off her vanishing trick. Clearly if she can vanish she can reappear wherever and whenever.

Gandalf will go to Dol Guldur, need her help, and she will come and level the place.
 
Galadriel won't literally level DG because everyone will go "why didn't she turn up at helm's deep or pelennor or the back gate if she can do that?"

Rather, she will personally confront the necromancer, call him out for being Sauron, and also say a load of awesome epic stuff, referencing the First Age and other things in Sauron's past. Then her and the Necro will essentially have a duel. When the necro flees, his power leaves DG, and the fortress basically collapses (like Barad-dur collapsed when the ring was destroyed).
 
That Philippa has been talking so much about needed the feminine energy and girl power, and then Galadriel was in one scene.

I'm glad to have Galadriel in it, really, but I think this just shows that she was never needed, and feminine energy was never needed. Audiences (though I disagree with them) are loving the film, and I haven't heard one complaint about the lack of female characters.

Just an interesting observation [:)]
 
I think they should duel through song (though it won't happen) just like Felagund and Sauron in the First Age. Always thought that was an interesting idea.
 
Galadriel is much more powerful than shown in any of the LOTR or Hobbit movies yet.

She is one of the eldest creatures in Middle Earth, born in Valinor before the First Age.
She is 7000+ years old, with only Cirdan, Treebeard and Bombadil as old or older.
She is Elrond's mother-in-law, and he is 6600 years old. Finarfin is her father.
She wields Nenya, the Ring of Water.
She levels Dol Guldur in the War of the Ring timeframe in the books.
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Do we know that Galadriel is older than Glorfindel? He's supposed to be part Noldor & part Vanyar, and pretty darn old, right? I guess since he died & was sent back that makes things more complicated, but do we really know who was born first? Somewhat related: which of these two are more powerful? Gandalf's reference of Glorfindel's power in the Council of Elrond seems to indicate that Glorfindel is the epitome (or at least archetype) of power.
 
I can't wait to see Galadriel at Dol Guldur. Unfortunately, my expectations are now through the roof for this, so I could be easily disappointed if it doesn't blow my socks off.

But yes, the writers have talked about how they have more planned for Galadriel in the next movies and that people won't be disappointed. I am pretty sure they'll have Galadriel participate in taking down Dol Guldur in some manner or another. Cate Blanchett is such a wonderful actress that I imagine it should work as long as it isn't too poorly handled.

(Isn't it weird that the absolute best part of AUJ was the casting? I don't think I've heard a single complaint about the acting in this movie. They chose the perfect people for these roles.)
 
That's a great question. I don't think age would be a determining factor in who gets a ring of power--Elrond is almost certainly younger--so I think the jury is still out there (assuming he is the same Glorfindel from Gondolin.) However, I wonder why he didn't get a ring of power. Perhaps he wasn't powerful enough or wise enough. Perhaps it was better for one ring to be in Rivendell and one in Lothlorien--so Elrond & Galadriel instead of Elrond and Glorfindel. That really just raises the question why Elrond instead of Glorfindel. IMHO, I'd say wisdom was more of determining factor of who got the rings, but then again I'd say wisdom is a component of power. In the end I'd probably say that Galadriel was more powerful, but Glorfindel is noteworthy both for his age and for his power.
 
think she will. Didn´t Philippa Boyens said something like that and then Galadriel came forth, while she was referring to Dol Goldur and she had her geek moment?

which of these two are more powerful? Gandalf's reference of Glorfindel's power in the Council of Elrond seems to indicate that Glorfindel is the epitome (or at least archetype) of power.

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I would say that Galadriel is more powerful than Glorfindel. She is said being the greatest of the Noldor except Feanor maybe and was said, to be the mightiest of the eldar in the third age, by Tolkien.

IIRC Gandalf said that he is powerful among the seen and unseen, or something to that effect, the same wold apply to Galadriel, being Calaquendi too.
 
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That's a great question. I don't think age would be a determining factor in who gets a ring of power--Elrond is almost certainly younger--so I think the jury is still out there (assuming he is the same Glorfindel from Gondolin.) However, I wonder why he didn't get a ring of power. Perhaps he wasn't powerful enough or wise enough. Perhaps it was better for one ring to be in Rivendell and one in Lothlorien--so Elrond & Galadriel instead of Elrond and Glorfindel. That really just raises the question why Elrond instead of Glorfindel. IMHO, I'd say wisdom was more of determining factor of who got the rings, but then again I'd say wisdom is a component of power. In the end I'd probably say that Galadriel was more powerful, but Glorfindel is noteworthy both for his age and for his power.
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tree rings were originally given to the tree greatest of the Eldar (at this time) Gil-Galad, Cirdan and Galadriel. Elrond was not an original bearer, he got his Ring from Gil Galad and Gandalf got hsi ring from Cirdan.
 
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I'd say that settles the power question. Still the age question remains. Thanks for reminding me that Elrond wasn't the original ring-bearer.
 
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