sador
Half-elven
Pace
No time to introduce myself, or this chapter. Hurry!
Sam had just wits enough left to thrust the phial back into his breast. ‘Run, Mr. Frodo!’ he cried. ‘No, not that way! There’s a sheer drop over the wall. Follow me!’
Down the road from the gate they fled. In fifty paces, with a swift bend round a jutting bastion of the cliff, it took them out of sight from the Tower. They had escaped for the moment. Cowering back against the rock they drew breath, and then they clutched at their hearts. Perching now on the wall beside the ruined gate the Nazgul sent out its deadly cries. All they cliffs echoed.
In terror they stumbled on. Soon the road bent sharply eastward again and exposed them for a dreadful moment to view from the Tower. As they flitted across they glanced back and saw the great shape on the battlement; then they plunged down... they knew that the silence woul not last long. At any moment now the hunt would begin.
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7. Before we go into details – how do you feel about the idea of a country, or region, as inherently Evil?
To begin with, there is the topography. A complete fence of mountains, defining the boundaries on three sides. And facing Sauron’s enemies on the West side, there is another fence – the Mountains of Morgai; less high than the Ephel Duath, they still tower above the plains below. Between the two ranges there is a deep defile, and a narrow bridge over which soldiers may pass.
8. The geography of Mordor sounds incredibly suitable for the fortress of a Dark Lord. What does this description remind you of?
9. Did Sauron chose Mordor because it was so suitable, or did he prevert the country, defiled it, to this extent? Recall Galdor’s words in the Council of Elrond: “And yet we see that Sauron can torture and destroy the very hills”.
This also reminds me of Gandalf’s words in “The White Rider”: Faint to my ears came the gathered rumor of all lands: the springing and the dying, the song and the weeping, and the slow everlasting groan of overburdened stone. Later, we’ll discuss the question of sustaining life in Mordor. But at the moment, tens of thousands, actually hundreds of thousands of living creatures live there, and Gollum even describes Sauron’s hubris (‘The Black Gate is Closed’) as intending all people to be there.
These descriptions seem to reinforce the image of Mordor as Hell: Evil, fenced in (see the Tower of Cirith Ungol, which guards against the damned leaving rather than against the living entering), not life-sustaining but overcrowded, overburdened, with the Dark Lord of it attempting to bring all people in.
But Tolkien has an extra twist: Mordor is not just a Hell of stone and fire, it is ‘The Land of Shadow’.
10. What is so special about shadow, and how does this apply to Mordor?
11. How does it fit in with your visions of Hell, if you have any? Or of any other visions you know of?
Next time, we shall discuss the flight of the hobbits itself.
No time to introduce myself, or this chapter. Hurry!
Sam had just wits enough left to thrust the phial back into his breast. ‘Run, Mr. Frodo!’ he cried. ‘No, not that way! There’s a sheer drop over the wall. Follow me!’
Down the road from the gate they fled. In fifty paces, with a swift bend round a jutting bastion of the cliff, it took them out of sight from the Tower. They had escaped for the moment. Cowering back against the rock they drew breath, and then they clutched at their hearts. Perching now on the wall beside the ruined gate the Nazgul sent out its deadly cries. All they cliffs echoed.
In terror they stumbled on. Soon the road bent sharply eastward again and exposed them for a dreadful moment to view from the Tower. As they flitted across they glanced back and saw the great shape on the battlement; then they plunged down... they knew that the silence woul not last long. At any moment now the hunt would begin.
Lower down there is a bridge, flying from the Ephel Duath to the next ridge, the Morgai.
...With a desperate spurt Frodo and Sam dashed along the bridge; but they had hardly reached its further end when they heard the hue and cry begin... Frodo and Sam could not see ahead, but already they heard the tramp of iron-shod feet, and upon the road there rang the swift clatter of hoofs...
Apparantly, the pursuers are going towards the bridge as well! Did Frodo and Sam take the wrong direction? Frodo suggests jumping off the bridge, and Sam says good-bye.
He let go. Frodo followed. And even as they fell they heard the rush of horsemen sweeping over the bridge and the rattle of orc-feet running up behind.
Phew!
Frodo and Sam fall to a thicket of thorny bushes. While they are catching their breath (Sam is sucking his finger, but we’ll discreetly look the other way), I’ll try and catch up with the formalities.
...With a desperate spurt Frodo and Sam dashed along the bridge; but they had hardly reached its further end when they heard the hue and cry begin... Frodo and Sam could not see ahead, but already they heard the tramp of iron-shod feet, and upon the road there rang the swift clatter of hoofs...
Apparantly, the pursuers are going towards the bridge as well! Did Frodo and Sam take the wrong direction? Frodo suggests jumping off the bridge, and Sam says good-bye.
He let go. Frodo followed. And even as they fell they heard the rush of horsemen sweeping over the bridge and the rattle of orc-feet running up behind.
Phew!
Frodo and Sam fall to a thicket of thorny bushes. While they are catching their breath (Sam is sucking his finger, but we’ll discreetly look the other way), I’ll try and catch up with the formalities.
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Welcome to this weeks discussion of ‘The Land of Shadow’! It’s my honour (and hopefully, it will be a pleasure as well) to be leading it.
But first, a round of applause and thank you to dernwyn for leading last week!
Several months ago, someone suggested an idea to have a poll of the chapter of LotR people like the least; the idea never materialised, but he dared mention ‘The Land of Shadow’ as a leading candidate to the title! I was very annoyed, as I like this chapter very much; and this week, I’ll attempt to convince you it is a great chapter, full of interesting and insightful events.
1. Any idea why people might think so of 'The Land of Shadow'?
I must point out this is more than a mere rumble – this chapter was completely wiped out of the films (at least, out of the TE), an omission which could hardly make the plot more plausible!
2. What makes this chapter so unfilmable?
In a way, this chapter is one of the chapters in which we explore with the hobbits new, unexpected lands – like ‘The Old Forest’, ‘Lothlorien’ and ‘Treebeard’, or ‘Flies and Spiders’ in The Hobbit.
3. In what is this chapter like those mentioned above? Are there any others to add to the list?
But there is a major difference – there is not much build-up to the lands we discover in those chapters (only some ominous references), and we do not know what to expect. But we would expect to know about Mordor! Also, we do not amble into this chapter – but dash right in, in the furious pace described above.
4. Does the start of this chapter build up the expectation for a rollercoaster adventure?
5. Do you feel disappointed that this doesn’t carry on?
6. What other ‘races’ are in LotR, comparable to the first couple of pages in this chapter?
But first, a round of applause and thank you to dernwyn for leading last week!
Several months ago, someone suggested an idea to have a poll of the chapter of LotR people like the least; the idea never materialised, but he dared mention ‘The Land of Shadow’ as a leading candidate to the title! I was very annoyed, as I like this chapter very much; and this week, I’ll attempt to convince you it is a great chapter, full of interesting and insightful events.
1. Any idea why people might think so of 'The Land of Shadow'?
I must point out this is more than a mere rumble – this chapter was completely wiped out of the films (at least, out of the TE), an omission which could hardly make the plot more plausible!
2. What makes this chapter so unfilmable?
In a way, this chapter is one of the chapters in which we explore with the hobbits new, unexpected lands – like ‘The Old Forest’, ‘Lothlorien’ and ‘Treebeard’, or ‘Flies and Spiders’ in The Hobbit.
3. In what is this chapter like those mentioned above? Are there any others to add to the list?
But there is a major difference – there is not much build-up to the lands we discover in those chapters (only some ominous references), and we do not know what to expect. But we would expect to know about Mordor! Also, we do not amble into this chapter – but dash right in, in the furious pace described above.
4. Does the start of this chapter build up the expectation for a rollercoaster adventure?
5. Do you feel disappointed that this doesn’t carry on?
6. What other ‘races’ are in LotR, comparable to the first couple of pages in this chapter?
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The Hobbits are about to start their desperate journey through Mordor; in the couple of pages following their flight from Cirith Ungol, Tolkien shows us what they will be going through – the Evil imbedded in the Land itself, even without any Enemy to harrass them. 7. Before we go into details – how do you feel about the idea of a country, or region, as inherently Evil?
To begin with, there is the topography. A complete fence of mountains, defining the boundaries on three sides. And facing Sauron’s enemies on the West side, there is another fence – the Mountains of Morgai; less high than the Ephel Duath, they still tower above the plains below. Between the two ranges there is a deep defile, and a narrow bridge over which soldiers may pass.
8. The geography of Mordor sounds incredibly suitable for the fortress of a Dark Lord. What does this description remind you of?
9. Did Sauron chose Mordor because it was so suitable, or did he prevert the country, defiled it, to this extent? Recall Galdor’s words in the Council of Elrond: “And yet we see that Sauron can torture and destroy the very hills”.
This also reminds me of Gandalf’s words in “The White Rider”: Faint to my ears came the gathered rumor of all lands: the springing and the dying, the song and the weeping, and the slow everlasting groan of overburdened stone. Later, we’ll discuss the question of sustaining life in Mordor. But at the moment, tens of thousands, actually hundreds of thousands of living creatures live there, and Gollum even describes Sauron’s hubris (‘The Black Gate is Closed’) as intending all people to be there.
These descriptions seem to reinforce the image of Mordor as Hell: Evil, fenced in (see the Tower of Cirith Ungol, which guards against the damned leaving rather than against the living entering), not life-sustaining but overcrowded, overburdened, with the Dark Lord of it attempting to bring all people in.
But Tolkien has an extra twist: Mordor is not just a Hell of stone and fire, it is ‘The Land of Shadow’.
10. What is so special about shadow, and how does this apply to Mordor?
11. How does it fit in with your visions of Hell, if you have any? Or of any other visions you know of?
Next time, we shall discuss the flight of the hobbits itself.
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