Simon Whipp breaks his silence on The Hobbit

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"We have given an unconditional guarantee there will be no industrial issue with the actors on this movie...I don't know what else we can do," Whipp said from Auckland before boarding his flight back to Sydney on Friday.
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Whipp said he had a long history of dealing with threats that a production would leave the country. "In my experience, they are rarely carried through."

He said The Hobbit producers wanted to know arrangements were going to be settled while the film was made here. "We've given them that assurance".



http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4267919/The-Hobbits-whipping-boy-talks


Sounds like things are still moving in the right direction. Fingers crossed....
 
...comments like " unconditional guarantee " sound shaky to me. This man's entire life's work is based on getting guaranteed conditions. Why would thousands of Kiwi's be getting ready to march in the streets on monday if everything was copacetic ? Why would Sir Peter look like he's about to have a heart attack in all of these interviews if Whipp has " given them that assurance " ? Why are execs from Warner Bros. still coming to New Zealand if these statements are true?

I believe the production will stay in New Zealand , and expect good news soon, but it's based entirely on the attitude on the ground in NZ, not on comments from Whipp.

Oh how I long for the days of bankruptcy talk again....
 
I imagine perhaps that some sort of contracts will have to be signed or something by the heads of NZ Equity and/or the CTU that nothing will happen; frankly put, I just don't trust their words.
 
There is no way that I would recommend that they make these films in New Zealand unless they had an ironclad written contract guaranteeing that there would be no further work stoppages. And I'm not even sure that would be enough, because I'm not sure how feasible it would be to enforce such a contract.

And let me emphasize, for those who don't know it, that I make my living representing employees in cases against their employers. So my default response would be to be on the side of the unions. I don't think I have ever in my life seen such incompetent, ineffective, and downright counterproductive labor representation.
 
that there is also election politics involved, as apparently Helen Kelly wants the current government out in the next election and that might have been a factor in working with offshore unions to destabilize the situation.

I don't see any representation of workers going on at all here. It's a massive power grab and the union workers got used - without their knowledge or consent, if it's true that they weren't even told about the boycott until it had already happened. Simon Whipp has done his dirty work and now he's getting out and going home. And it looks to me that even before this they weren't being represented so very well, since the union had been struck off the list for refusing to make records available.

If I were a member of the union, I'd be thinking about getting out or getting rid of the current leadership ASAP. What a mess.
 
I find it heart-breaking to see industry workers marching against a union.

I will be so sad if we lose this film in NZ - but in time I will get over my sadness - it's the industry workers that I'm really feeling for (and PJ and team). The goal of getting to work on The Hobbit will have kept many of them going for years. Where do they go from here if NZ loses The Hobbit??
 
to find work in foreign film productions, if the doomsaying about the New Zealand film industry is accurate.
 
would break his silence on another matter. Wait, who are we talking about here?

Wasn't he involved in the initial screening of Hobbit hopefuls or something? That guy from American Idol then?

Surely we are not talking about the guy made famous by that follow the leader game, Simon Says?
 
... is outrageous!

Whipp said unions had not specifically targeted The Hobbit.

Yeah sure! And where did the international blacklisting call drop from?

He further talks about employment conditions of theater actors to justify their cause and actions - but yet again: THEY called for an international boycott of The Hobbit!

Simon Whipp and Helen Kelly are brainless and spineless liars.

They called for an international boycott of the Hobbit.
Now they say it was never about the Hobbit.
They jeopardized the production of the Hobbit and maybe drove it out of the country.
And now they claim it has all been a plot by the studios.

Outrageous spineless cowards.

They targeted the Hobbit to push through their (law-ignoring) agenda because they thought The Hobbit could never leave New Zealand and that they would have an enormous 500 million leverage at their disposal.
And they completely missed their game and wreaked disaster.
And now they don't want to be responsible for anything but for their best and absolutely innocent intentions.
Yeah sure! And I surely believe in Father Christmas and the Easter Bunny.

Someone please whip the Whipp (till kingdom comes)!
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(PS: I'm sorry if I violated the forum rules of good behavior here, but how long can one tolerate the most outrageous indecency until one is allowed to call the things by the name they are most appropriately described by?)
 
... he doesn't give a s#*t about alleviating the disaster he wreaked.

He might not have gotten what he wanted ...
... but he surely doesn't want to care about what he has done!
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I have watched and read about these events filled with anger and frustration over Kelly and Whipp's ridiculous claims. How dare they use an international film production, costing half a billion dollars, to get their own way? AND THEN say after the damage has been done "that was not our intention." It's ludicrous!

My heart goes out to Peter & co. Watching the interviews nearly brought me to tears. He was worn down, angry, upset, and so extremely worried and was not even trying to hide it. He has spent nearly two decades of his life bringing beautiful and passionate interpretations of Tolkien to us fans, and utilized those in his own home country to do so. And just when - after years and years of uncertainty and obstacles - they finally got the official greenlight, this had to happen? This international blacklist from only a relatively few? In which most members of the union didn't even understand or agree with the reasoning and terms involved in such a boycott? Like many have mentioned here, a boycott is a "last stand" - NOT the first action you take to getting what you want! Kelly says she just wanted a meeting to negotiate? LIE. A meeting to negotiate comes BEFORE the boycott...not as a result of one!

Whipp has explicitly stated that he wanted to use The Hobbit to unionize NZ actors! He was using The Hobbit as a stepping stool to get greater benefits for himself and the unions he supports. He doesn't care about The Hobbit or the fans or the thousands of workers who for the past THREE YEARS have been already working on pre-production for this film and are not keen on losing their jobs because of the insanely inept actions of so few! And once it became apparent that Warner Bro's would be looking elsewhere for production they BACKED DOWN and retracted all their statements and contradicted themselves and their actions!

What gets me is perhaps if this happened a year ago...maybe PJ and Warner Bro's and all would have actually tried to listen and understand Kelly and Whipp's concerns (as ridiculous as they are). But with half a billion at stake for a movie that must start in 4 months, negotiating and listening is NOT AN OPTION! The primary focus now is to keep the movies on track and on time...not work through a few people and their incompetence!

I am sorry if this is sounding too crazy and passionate[tongue] but as someone who (like most of you) has been following these events leading towards a greenlight and eventually finished film for years and years now, it is absolutely frustrating to have it almost be derailed because of a few hundred folks - most of which aren't even native to NZ and don't even know what they are talking about!

We survived disputes, rights, studio bankruptcy, a loss of a talented director...we will survive this too!!
 
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Ward-Lealand and Malcolm gave these same assurances during the week when they were interviewed after Philippa and PJ on the Campbell Live show. This was before hearing anything from Simon Whipp.

How legal is it when making assurances such as 'Unconditional'? I have never heard a Union go that far to guarantee that they would not evoke disruptions during a production. And I had the same question as you basically - how feasible is that? It sounds like that is one type of guarantee but it doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't other avenues or timelines in which they can target and disrupt production. On a side note - are they then redundant during the production to their members who are working on The Hobbit?

I don't think I have ever in my life seen such incompetent, ineffective, and downright counterproductive labor representation.

agreed!
 
and hopefully not just to check up on PJ's operation?

It would be simple enough to negotiate a letter of agreement that binds both parties to the Pink/Blue books and prevents labour disruptions for the term of the production. Though, and maybe this is VtF's concern, without an arbitrator to appeal to it is not clear how that would work. I suppose they could agree to defer dealing with issues that arise -- that do not violate existing labour laws -- at the end of the production schedule. I would be surprised if SAG isn't looking for a side agreement with WB over all this as well.
 
they should make a contract that any union (specifically the officials) who tries to disrupt the production of the Hobbit in any form has to pay all the costs [evil] I know, unlikely, but one can dream, right?

I don't think I have ever in my life seen such incompetent, ineffective, and downright counterproductive labor representation.
Completely agree. Never before have I been shaking my head so much or even felt like banging it at the wall about so much stupidity. No matter how honourable their claims are, the way they went about enforcing it was ridiculous. Even for laymen it's obvious that it couldn't work, so how can the leaders of the union think it would? Who on earth has elected these people into their positions when they lack knowledge about their jobs so badly?

And I can't help wondering how the members of the NZAE feel about the way they have been used without their knowledge and consent. Many will blame them, though they weren't even asked beforehand, from what I can tell. That's as unfair to them as it was to the rest of the actors, technicians and whoever was affected by that boycott.
 
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