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grammaboodawg

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Here's a Book Spoiler on something I'm always fascinated with. Pipe-weed and where it came from... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Concerning Hobbits: Concerning Pipe-weed: The Fellowship of the Ring


..."...all accounts agree that Tobold Hornblower of Longbottom in the Southfarthing first grew the true pipe-weed in his gardens in the days of Isengrim the Second, about the year 1070 of Shire-reckoning. The best home-grown still comes from that district, especially the varieties now known as Longbottom Leaf, Old Toby, and Southern Star.
...'How Old Toby came by the plant is not recorded, for to his dying day he would not tell. He knew much about herbs, but he was no traveller. It is said that in his youth he went often to Bree, though he certainly never went further from the Shire than that. It is thus quite possible that he learned of this plant in Bree, where now, at any rate, it grows well on the south slopes of the hill. The Bree-hobbits claim to have been the first actual smokers of the pipe-weed. They claim, of course, to have done everything before the people of the Shire, whom they refer to as "colonists"; but in this case their claim is, I think, likely to be true. And certainly it was from Bree that the art of smoking the genuine weed spread in the recent centuries among Dwarves and such other folk, Rangers, Wizards, or wanderers, as still passed to and fro through that ancient road-meeting. The home and centre of the art is thus to be found in the old inn of Bree, The Prancing Pony, that has been kept by the family of Butterbur from time beyond record.
...'All the same, observations that I have made on my own many journeys south have convinced me that the weed itself is not native to our part of the world, but came northward from the lower Anduin, whither it was, I suspect, originally brought over Sea by the Men of Westernesse. It grows abundantly in Gondor, and there is richer and larger than in the North, where it is never found wild, and flourishes only in warm sheltered places like Longbottom. The Men of Gondor call it sweet galenas, and esteem it only for the fragrance of its flowers. From that land it must have been carried up the Greenway during the long centuries between the coming of Elendil and our own days. But even the Dúnedain of Gondor allow us this credit: Hobbits first put it into pipes. Not even the Wizards first thought of that before we did. Though one wizard that I knew took up the art long ago, and became as skilful in it as in all other things that he put his mind to.'"
 
then who was the first Hobbit to do so, and what made him/her do it? Perhaps a field of the flower got set afire accidentally, or they were using fire to clear the land of "weeds", and liked the aroma from those particular burned leaves.

But who had the idea to inhale the smoke from a bowl, and how was the first smoke-pipe throught of?

Or were pipes used for something else, before this, and if so, what?

Too many questions - Merry's history is too short! [laugh]
 
been blowing through a tube or reed to stoke a fire but inhaled. Perhaps they found a taste they liked but proceeded to locate something better and ended up with pipeweed[crazy].
Cough, cough, cough[:P].
 
Sorry for hijacking your thread for the moment gramma, but my I've just realised my grandad had something else hobbity about him...he smoked a pipe! (I've been writing about the hobbityness of my grandad in my The old question thread).AND the only part of FOTR he enjoyed was when Gandalf and Bilbo were smoking on the hill before the party and Gandalf blew a smoke ship through the Bilbo's smoke ring. Lol, he didn't want to see TT or ROTK.

Bree could have acquired Pipe-weed from travellers from the south. Maybe a Gondorian farmer was clearing a field from the pipeweed thinking it was just a weed and put it on a bonfire and inhaled the smoke and found it had an effect on them.Perhaps they used to burn it in fireplaces for medicinal purposes as tobacco is a relaxant I think. Like most old fireplaces they didn't draw smoke well and the room would often have a smokey atmosphere therefore those in the room would inhale the smoke. It could have been used on people who had a fever to calm them. The Hobbits knowing of it's 'medicinal' properties decided to invent something to get more of a concentrated smoke from it.
 
Here's a Book Spoiler about Gimli and Legolas I was inspired to seek out after responding to a thought-generating post... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.


From Appendix A: III : Durin's Folk: The Return of the King
..."After the fall of Sauron, Gimli brought south a part of the Dwarf-folk of Erebor, and he became Lord of the Glittering Caves. He and his people did great works in Gondor and Rohan. For Minas Tirith they forged gates of Mithril and steel to replace those broken by the Witch-king. Legolas his friend also brought south Elves out of Greenwood, and they dwelt in Ithilien, and it became once again the fairest country in all the westlands.


But when King Elessar gave up his life Legolas followed at last the desire of his heart and sailed over Sea.


Here follows one of the last notes in the Red Book


...We have heard tell that Legolas took Gimli Glóin's son with him because of their great friendship, greater than any that has been between Elf and Dwarf. If this is true, then it is strange indeed: that a Dwarf should be willing to leave Middle-earth for any love, or that the Eldar should receive him, or that the Lords of the West should permit it. But it is said that Gimli went also out of desire to see again the beauty of Galadriel; and it may be that she, being mighty among the Eldar, obtained this grace for him. More cannot be said of this matter."
 
during the burning is a great guess, but I'd venture to say they probably were so set on putting something into a pipe that they tried everything from field and crop.... then moved onto blending, pr'aps?

I wonder if they knew not to try poison ivy?
 
to imagine your grandad getting such a kick out of the pipe-smoking scene. I love it! And I think you're right about the burning. dernwyn had the same idea, and it really makes sense.

There were hobbits in Bree who could have snagged some southern weed. Such a mystery!
 
It is said that...We have heard tell... This uncertainty adds so much to the real-ness of these stories! And leaves such things open to speculation (and of course fan-fic), so that we the readers onlookers can include our own ideas and emotions in the mix.

I myself like to imagine Galadriel greeting Gimli as he sets foot on that Western shore, and then taking him to meet Aulë. What an honor for any Dwarf!


(BTW gramma - looks like you're still tending the bar! [laugh])
 
so I didn't copy their idea!! Great minds think alike!![;)]
Yes my grandad didn't enjoy the rest of the film. He found the orcs and uruk hai very scary I think having lived such a sheltered life in the country!
 
[laugh]

But that explanation does make the most sense, doesn't it.

Your grandad sounds like he was a Hobbit at heart! [:)]
 
"King Elessar gave up his life"

"Legolas followed at last the desire of his heart"

"a Dwarf should be willing to leave Middle-earth... Gimli went also out of desire"

Notice the Gimli's attitude to life is ambivalent: he is not supposed to be willing to leave Middle-earth (a grace which Aragorn manged somehpw to retain), but he does feel an Elvish desire.
 
I know this Book Spoiler was in a BIG post not long ago, but I wanted to highlight it here to show one of the few times Bilbo was really freaked after being so brave (and rightfully so!)... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.​
From Out of the Frying-Pan Into the Fire: The Hobbit
..."All of a sudden they heard a howl away down hill, a long shuddering howl. It was answered by another away to the right and a good deal nearer to them; then by another not far away to the left. It was wolves howling at the moon, wolves gathering together!
... There were no wolves living near Mr. Baggins' hole at home, but he knew that noise. He had had it described to him often enough in tales. One of his elder cousins (on the Took side), who had been a great traveller, used to imitate it to frighten him. To hear it out in the forest under the moon was too much for Bilbo. Even magic rings are not much use against wolves—especially against the evil packs that lived under the shadow of the goblin-infested mountains, over the Edge of the Wild on the borders of the unknown. Wolves of that sort smell keener than goblins, and do not need to see you to catch you!
... "What shall we do, what shall we do!" he cried. "Escaping goblins to be caught by wolves!" he said, and it became a proverb, though we now say 'out of the frying-pan into the fire; in the same sort of uncomfortable situations."
 
The thought of Gimli not only being granted entrance, but to be greeted by Galadriel to boot. Excellent!

Yeah... *hick* I was having such a great time, I forgot to turn in the keys ;)
 
Wow...

It makes me think of how Frodo must have felt.

I wonder if Gimli's ties to Middle-earth began to shift/fade as soon as he met Galadriel, just as it must have happened to Legolas when he heard the Gulls.

Fate and their guidance to this final journey?

hmmmmm....
 
What a shock to the system it is! Poor Bilbo, more "into the unknown" that he ever imagined!

I like "escaping goblins to be caught by wolves" better than the more well-known saying, but I don't think most folks would understand it...[crazy]

(Until they see the forthcoming movie, that is! [cool])
 
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