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macfalk
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Nov 23 2010, 6:18pm
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Smaug vs The Witch King
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macfalk
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Nov 23 2010, 6:18pm
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Oh and I vote for Smaug, by the way. //
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 23 2010, 7:56pm
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its whats for dinner!
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Airaloske
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Nov 24 2010, 1:49am
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because if he's not riding one of those Fell Beasts then Smaug has an awesome advantage. Of course, Smaug could just take out the beast first and then destroy the Witch-King, but it'd be more of a fight than just the WHOMP-TOAST-NOM if Witchy wasn't mounted.
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Wraith Buster
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Nov 24 2010, 2:24am
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No one can kill him but Eówyn-(see fineprint). And Smaug had a chink in his mail right near his chest so if the Witch king got to him before Smaug blasted him with fire, then it would be over for Smaug. But a weak point for the Witch king is that he IS afraid of fire. The Witch king would have the upper "hand" though if Smaug was sleeping.
That is a good one, macfalk! I vote for the Witch king.
I do believe if our honorable friend continues to scrape the bottom of the barrel for objections he is in danger of getting splinters under his fingernails.
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Ataahua
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Nov 24 2010, 3:03am
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no *man* can kill him - and as Smaug isn't a man, I'll lay odds on the dragon with the firey breath.
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Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
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Airaloske
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Nov 25 2010, 10:51am
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Smaug usually sleeps on his belly
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So even if the Witch-King could sneak up on him while he's sleeping he'd have a heck of a time getting to the teeny little chink in his armor. He'd step on some treasure, make noise, and end up a crispy critter.
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macfalk
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Nov 25 2010, 5:59pm
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Aye. Smaug is a very powerful creature. //
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Flagg
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Nov 25 2010, 6:35pm
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Are dragons susceptible to Morgul-blades?
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A Wraith-Smaug would be interesting.
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macfalk
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Nov 25 2010, 8:03pm
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Indeed. To those who may know:
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Was there any more powerful dragon than Smaug in the history of Middle-earth?
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Gimli'sBox
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Nov 25 2010, 8:16pm
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Yes. Ancalagon the Black... The greatest of all dragons of ME. See the Sil.//
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It's Latin. Loosely translated, it means... we cheat.
"Strange treasures in this fair world appear, strange all, and new to me." That is a poem by Thomas Traherne and I have absolutely no idea what it's about. But, when I was small I was made to learn it by heart so I don't see why you shouldn't suffer too.
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macfalk
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Nov 25 2010, 8:18pm
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Gimli'sBox
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Nov 25 2010, 8:23pm
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Well, nothing is set in stone. Like some other people are talking about
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On another thread Tolkien changed stuff sometimes but, that is what it says in the Sil soooo,
It's Latin. Loosely translated, it means... we cheat.
"Strange treasures in this fair world appear, strange all, and new to me." That is a poem by Thomas Traherne and I have absolutely no idea what it's about. But, when I was small I was made to learn it by heart so I don't see why you shouldn't suffer too.
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TheNazgul
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Nov 28 2010, 2:18am
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witch King wasnt exactly killed just lost most of his power and never bothered anybody again.
I vote for Witch King (who else?!!)
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Mablung
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Dec 1 2010, 5:07pm
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Glarung was the best dragon in middle earth. He was awsome!!!
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Airaloske
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Dec 1 2010, 10:16pm
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he couldn't even fly. get Smaug or Ancalagon in the air and Glaurung is bantha poodoo.
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Mablung
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Dec 1 2010, 11:19pm
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glarung lead the sack of nargothrond. all ancalagon did was get beat by earendil. Galrung controls people with his stare. he is so much better.
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Airaloske
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Dec 2 2010, 1:34am
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It isn't a question of who is a cooler dragon, or which dragon did what, it is a question of who, in a fight between the two dragons, would win. Glaurung can't fly so Smaug and Ancalagon both have that advantage over him. Unless Glaurung can even the playing field by ripping off Ancalagon's or Smaug's wings I'd say that the two winged dragons would take it any day of the week. You just can't pit a tank against a fighter jet and expect the tank to come out better.
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Mablung
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Dec 2 2010, 2:14am
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Ancalagon would have that advanage in a fight. But Glarungs only weak spot is his belly and it would be rather diffacult to get at in a fight. So I think I would be more of a stalemate. Unless Ancalagon somehow flipped Glarung on his backor or Glarung ripped off Ancalagons wings it would be a tie.
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Darkstone
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Dec 6 2010, 4:03pm
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"No man can kill me", and Smaug is definitely no man.
When you think about it, WiKi is pretty vulnerable. He can be killed by just about anything: aardvarks, platypuses, peanuts, low hanging tree limbs, paper cuts. Kinda sad, actually.
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Airaloske
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Dec 8 2010, 3:38am
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now I'm imagining the Witch King, in all of his shredded-black-robe glory, choking on a peanut while being viciously mauled by a platypus.
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Donry
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Dec 11 2010, 3:39am
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in this one.....he's a dragon....I just have a hard time seeing one man or one wraith taking out a dragon.....I know Bard did it with an arrow, but it wasn't one-on-one....If Smaug is concentrating his attacks on just one being...it's over.....imho...
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macfalk
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Dec 12 2010, 9:35am
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Haha, great 
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Feb 25 2011, 8:50pm
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Does Smaug qualify as a 'man' because he is 'male'?
Remember, Gandalf really isn't a man, but is 'male', being 'in the form of a man' but still qualifies under Glorfindel's prophecy...
That's the trouble with prophecy, it's so, uh, prophetic and locked in to fact.
Like Christ in psalm 22.... 'none of my bones are broken' ~ so He up & gives up His Spirit on the cross before they can smash His legs with a hammer.
So, the prophecy with Glorfidel & Witchy-poo can definitely be interpreted to be 'male' versus 'man'......
Therefore, disqualifying Smaug.
For the record, I think Smaug would've fried Wichie-poo.
Perhaps they would've met at the River Running, & the Witch-poo would've had a double wammy: The fright of running water AND fire.
He probably would've pooped his hauberk if wraiths still poop.
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Witchy King
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Mar 9 2011, 5:04pm
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NYAH.
But seriously, I think Smaug got so old and lazy near the end (Hobbit era) that it would have been a piece of cake for dear old Witchy. 
"He is a moss-gatherer, and I have been a stone doomed to rolling."
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