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Helcaraxe
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Mar 1 2019, 2:40pm
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How would the Blue Wizards look? Perhaps influenced by their experiences in the East and look more exotic. Middle Eastern or Far Eastern dress, affected by different cultures, ideals or religions (figuratively). Perhaps looking like Verys from GOT or heaven forbid...............a woman
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Archestratie
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Mar 1 2019, 3:24pm
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They should keep a similar look to the Lord of the Rings movies (NOT Radagast from TH trilogy). They should be stern, powerful, but flawed.
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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
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Mar 1 2019, 4:05pm
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I personally think that would be incredible: and you know, I would love a female Blue Wizard, even if all the book purists would come after me with pitchforks.
They should definitely more mystic and mysterious than their Western counterparts: they could be masters of astrology, divination, and such things.
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Helcaraxe
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Mar 1 2019, 4:23pm
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I personally think that would be incredible: and you know, I would love a female Blue Wizard, even if all the book purists would come after me with pitchforks.
They should definitely more mystic and mysterious than their Western counterparts: they could be masters of astrology, divination, and such things.
Did it say anywhere that they definitely were men? Some Maiar were female!
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Mari D.
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Mar 1 2019, 8:02pm
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If indeed I came after you with a pitchfork :D
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I personally think that would be incredible: and you know, I would love a female Blue Wizard, even if all the book purists would come after me with pitchforks.
They should definitely more mystic and mysterious than their Western counterparts: they could be masters of astrology, divination, and such things.
... then it'd be if they really dabbled in esoterics as part of their assigned task, not if one is female :-D I think that would be more against the spirit of the stories ...
But don't worry I'm too peaceable for farmer weaponry!! ;-)
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Fereth
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Mar 1 2019, 9:04pm
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I was just thinking of Shohreh Aghdashloo of ST: Beyond and The Expanse the other day, I'd love to see her as one of the blues.
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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
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Mar 1 2019, 9:17pm
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I assumed the magic of the Blue Wizards would be different from their western counterparts, though, because Tolkien himself wrote that they might have founded magic cults in the East: that suggests to my mind a more mystic and ritualized sort of magic than Gandalf and Saruman, or even Radagast (who in my mind is more like a hedge witch, a shaman of sorts).
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Mari D.
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Mar 1 2019, 10:33pm
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Ahh ... I had forgotten about that.
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Then I agree it could be more mystic and ritualised. But I'd still maintain it should not be silly superstition or things too similar to modern phenomena ... there needs to be some depth and dignity to it, at least an attempt at true greatness by the wizards, for it to feel true to ME wizards to me... Like Gandalf, words of command, or plain, unadorned fire - nothing cheesy. I'd have wished TH movies would have gone that way with Radagast more as well. Although I liked how they portrayed him as someone so in tune with nature ... that worked for me.
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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
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Mar 1 2019, 11:53pm
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Ceremonial magic is something I study a lot, and I don't find that it has to be cheesy or silly in any way. In fact, one of my favorite fantasy series, Malazan Book of the Fallen, is based around a tarot deck: and it's incredible. Not saying that the Blue Wizards would use tarot or anything similar to that, but magic of a more occult variety would be interesting to see in the Eastern lands of Middle-earth. Stuff like talismans, rituals, alchemy, and especially magic philosophies: all of it is fascinating to me.
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Mari D.
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Mar 2 2019, 12:44am
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Well, although it's possible the blue wizards drifted off into occultism, I would be interested in what powers they originally had - when still acting in accordance with their mission. Maybe that would at least still shine through.
And these I think would in style more match Gandalf and Saruman than pagan magic or esoteric. At least in my mind. I simply feel there is a difference in tone between how Tolkien makes use of the supernatural when presented as positive in narrative, and esoterics, a difference in mentality/spirit.
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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
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Mar 2 2019, 3:31am
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I assume that, in the beginning, all the five wizards were similar in power and skill.
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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 2 2019, 1:51pm
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Alatar was chosen by the Vala Oromë, known as a hunter and for his love of horses and trees. Pallando (also associated with Oromë) went to Middle-earth as Alatar's friend. This connection might hint at their specialties. If they were meant to travel into the East then I expect their mortal appearances were influenced by their mission and they might have resembled Easterlings. We don't know much about the traditions of the East of Middle-earth; if it made sense culturally for one or both of the Wizards to be incarnated as a woman, that might have been the case--though I suspect that Tolkien intended that both of them would have had the bodies of men. I do expect that the Blue Wizards would have adopted clothing appropriate to the peoples that they would be attempting to influence.
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KingTurgon
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Mar 6 2019, 4:44pm
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Ya, just keep hating on The Hobbit movies
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That will make your life and the fandom *so* much better
1) FOTR 2) ROTK 3) AUJ 4) TTT 5) DOS 6) BOFA
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skyofcoffeebeans
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Mar 6 2019, 5:08pm
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Her tone was constructive, not hateful. We have plenty of Hobbit haters, and that post wasn't one of them.
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Eldy
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Mar 6 2019, 5:09pm
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Hot take: they wouldn't have been blue
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The most famous account of the two obscure wizards was published in the chapter "The Istari" from Unfinished Tales, though that chapter is actually a collection of several texts. It one text from 1954, Tolkien referred to them as the Ithryn Luin, which is Sindarin for "Blue Wizards", but this name is absent from other relevant sources. The names Alatar and Pallando come from another text published in UT, which Christopher was unable to date but which was written after the completion of LOTR. As Elthir is fond of pointing out, though, Tolkien stated in 1958 (Letter 211):
I have not named the colours, because I do not know them. I doubt if they had distinctive colours. Distinction was only required in the case of the three who remained in the relatively small area of the North-west.... I really do not know anything clearly about the other two – since they do not concern the history of the N.W. I think they went as emissaries to distant regions, East and South, far out of Númenórean range: missionaries to 'enemy-occupied' lands, as it were. What success they had I do not know; but I fear that they failed, as Saruman did, though doubtless in different ways; and I suspect they were founders or beginners of secret cults and 'magic' traditions that outlasted the fall of Sauron.
And in some much later notes from 1972, referred to in Unfinished Tales as unreadable but eventually deciphered and published in the chapter "Last Writings" in The Peoples of Middle-earth, we hear alternately (in one fragmentary note) that the two wizards had no names known in northwest Middle-earth, or (in another) that their names were Morinehtar and Rómestámo (or Róme(n)star). This is also the era when Tolkien suggested that the two wizards were responsible for turning many humans in the East away from Sauron, thereby depriving him of a significant source of manpower. But at no point were they referred to as blue.
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Mar 6 2019, 5:47pm
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We don’t criticize other posters
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It’s fine to disagree; not fine to denigrate.
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