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Darth Crumb
Lindon
Dec 9 2015, 5:24pm
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sick porcupines
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Not to restart a threat that probably got beat to death in 2012 (but hey, we're all watching them all over again now), could there have a been a worse way to start the whole Dol Guldur story than sick porcupines?
A few years later that whole scene is still just...weird. Why did the spiders just leave? Did all that decay just spring up overnight? (Radagast's panic makes it seems so) Would anyone not familiar with the story have ANY clue what was going on there?
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DainPig
Mithlond
Dec 9 2015, 5:30pm
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Why did the spiders just leave?
Because of Radagast's magic. It brought the light to Rasghobel.
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Darth Crumb
Lindon
Dec 9 2015, 5:30pm
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Probably not porcupines.
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DainPig
Mithlond
Dec 9 2015, 5:33pm
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How aaaaaaaaaaaaaare you all???
Hey guys, this is my blog: dainpigblog.blogspot.com
Dain Ironfoot has come!! And his pig's here too! It's going to be a great feast tonight, we are gonna eat Dain's pig! :0
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Darth Crumb
Lindon
Dec 9 2015, 5:46pm
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...to show the forest getting sick, Radagast having a reason to go to Dol Guldur, etc. It was just done in a really rushed and confusing way. Maybe it needed more than a few minutes, and probably needed Radagast to have someone to have some dialogue with. "The forest has been getting sick for years....I've started seeing giant spiders...they seem to be coming from one particular direction...".
Maybe he should have shown up at the White Council meeting and explained it all there.
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Darth Crumb
Lindon
Dec 9 2015, 5:47pm
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Saruman mocking Radagast to his face...
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...could have been fun too.
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Ostadan
Ossiriand
Dec 9 2015, 6:10pm
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Someone who was sent as an enemy of Sauron, and living near a place called the Hill of Black Sorcery (Dol Guldur) just might have been a wee bit more aware. Just saying.
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DainPig
Mithlond
Dec 9 2015, 6:26pm
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You know, the mushrooms.
How aaaaaaaaaaaaaare you all???
Hey guys, this is my blog: dainpigblog.blogspot.com
Dain Ironfoot has come!! And his pig's here too! It's going to be a great feast tonight, we are gonna eat Dain's pig! :0
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Elessar
Doriath
Dec 9 2015, 6:40pm
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The first thing I thought of when I saw that scene
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was how it made me miss my puppies who were at home. It made me tear up a bit thinking about how someday (they're only ages 1 to 4) that I will lose them. Then he got better and I was happy again.
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dormouse
Gondolin
Dec 9 2015, 7:43pm
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I'm sure there could have been lots of worse ways!
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I've never found it weird. Gandalf is telling Bilbo about the other wizards, tells him Radagast watches over the woodland, then we see Radagast getting anxious because he's realising that something isn't right. Maybe the scenes of Radagast run together things that happened over several weeks or months. Maybe he's in a part of the woods that he doesn't visit often. Essentially I don't think those things don't matter because there's a fairytale element about the whole scene, and fairytales don't always follow that kind of logic. What matters is what it tells us about the corruption of the woodland and about Radagast himself - that's he's a gentle soul, loves the wood, loves his animals, a bit scatty but he does have real power when he remembers to use it.
As for being familiar with the story, as that's a scene which isn't in The Hobbit any more than Radagast himself is in it, I think people who aren't familiar with the book would actually have a better chance of understanding the scene because they wouldn't approach it with any fixed expectations, they'd just take it as it is. And anyone who's ever had a pet animal that died would understand his feelings about his hedgehog.
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Dec 9 2015, 9:43pm
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The corruption of the Forest had only just spread to the area around Rhosgobel. On the other hand, when we first encounter Legolas and Tauriel, the Wood-elves had been battling the spiders for months (maybe longer). Yes, it does seem as though Radagast had been caught off-guard but even Tolkien speculated that the Brown Wizard had become distracted from his mission in Middle-earth.
"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
- Dream of the Endless
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Darkstone
Elvenhome
Dec 9 2015, 10:56pm
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Like dormouse says, a big point is to learn about Radagast.
As for the scene needing further explanation, sometimes you bring in Captain Obvious, sometimes you just trust the audience.
Individual mileage will vary.
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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”
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mae govannen
Dor-Lomin
Dec 11 2015, 4:14am
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...and that's much cuter than a porcupine!...//
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'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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mae govannen
Dor-Lomin
Dec 11 2015, 4:17am
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So true, all your points... and Subject! //
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'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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mae govannen
Dor-Lomin
Dec 11 2015, 4:19am
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Correct analysis, I'd say...//
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'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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