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florian
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Jan 15 2013, 9:04am
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Thorin's hair:
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Exactly how many braids does he have? I know he's got the two small ones on either side of his face and it seems like the crown of his hair is pulled back and held in place with a metal bead/clip of some sort but it also seems I have seen photos of at least one rather large bead in the back portion (at about shoulder length). I don't think it is actually braided, more like a hunk of hair that is gathered together and held in place by the bead thingy. I wish we got a better view of the hairstyles and costumes during the movie. Can't wait for the DVD to come out so I stop and really study/drink in all the little details that went into developing the characters.
do you think the braiding of the dwarves' hair has any special significance (social or otherwise)?
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Roheryn
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Jan 15 2013, 10:01am
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Now *that's* a header I've been waiting for!
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Mmmmmm.....*kerplunk*
Sorry, I get too distracted by what he does with his hair to stop and count the braids. I know he’s got braids, and however many he’s got, that’s the perfect number. And he's got them in all the right places.
I did read somewhere that there is a fair bit of significance to the various Dwarven hairstyles. Dori’s complicated braiding is supposed to reflect his fussy, stuffy personality; Thorin’s relatively simple braiding scheme reflects that he doesn’t put on airs; Kili clearly can’t be bothered doing too much with his hair because he’s just off to have some fun; and I suspect Dwalin would rather be eaten by a Warg than be caught with braids in what’s left of his hair.
Now, just let me go back to contemplating Thorin's hair...
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Old Toby
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Jan 15 2013, 3:45pm
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Um, yes, about his hair....quite lovely, I think! I did notice the two braids in the front, and he's got a small bit of hair held in one of those round metal clips...or whatever they are...that I noticed in the scene where he's telling Balin they are going on without Gandalf (in the cave before they got sucked down into Goblin Town). And yes, I did notice one other clip ...probably the one you are talking about, in other scenes. In the story at the beginning when he is a young dwarf at Erebor, he had a longer beard held together in front by one small, round clip. Glad he lost that longer beard! (And according to RA, he grew his own instead.) But I think all told he only has the two braids in the front.
And I love the streaks of white hair. Dwarf highlighting...LOL! Not that I'm taking notice of Thorin. No. Not much. 
"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)
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bborchar
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Jan 15 2013, 5:40pm
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By using his hair. No, he's not completely grey, but the streaks of grey and the receding hairline definitely give him more gravitas. I don't mind that he's not completely grey...my grandma is almost 80 and her hair is still more black than grey. It just depends on the person.
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Rane
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Jan 15 2013, 6:02pm
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So what does Nori's hair say about him? XD
I guess that means Fili is trying to put on airs then.
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 15 2013, 6:07pm
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"Hey, check out my awesome and improbable hairdo while I pick your pockets and steal your sausages!"
It must take some work to stay that way, it gets pretty mussed up during the journey--beginning with the Troll fight.
" Well well!", said a voice. "Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!"
"Most astonishing wonderful!"
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Rane
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Jan 15 2013, 6:10pm
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What's with that guys hair? Oh dang, where's my wallet?
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ryouko
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Jan 15 2013, 9:42pm
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I have to admit, you have a point there! You'd be so busy staring at his hair, that you wouldn't notice stuff missing. Because that hair is pretty spellbinding, isn't it?
Huh...I thought I was wearing my watch today.
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 15 2013, 9:47pm
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I think Nori is the one that notices Bilbo falls back when the rest are captured by the Goblins. After they're out of the mountains, Gandalf asks "where's Bilbo" and Nori answers something like "I saw him when we were collared by the goblins" or words to that effect.
Now where did I put my handbag? 
There it is: dwarves are not heroes, but calculating folk with a great idea of the value of money; some are tricky and treacherous and pretty bad lots; some are not, but are decent enough people like Thorin and Company, if you don’t expect too much.
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ryouko
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Jan 16 2013, 1:30am
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I think Nori is the one that notices Bilbo falls back when the rest are captured by the Goblins. After they're out of the mountains, Gandalf asks "where's Bilbo" and Nori answers something like "I saw him when we were collared by the goblins" or words to that effect. Now where did I put my handbag?
He's the only one who notices, yet says nothing till they are all outside and away from the goblins. When the Dwarves are being taken away in the first place, you see him look back a couple of times to make sure that Bilbo is still behind. Maybe he thought that somehow Bilbo would save them. Or maybe he's just used to staying quiet and not drawing attention.
Hey, has anyone seen my shoes?
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Kirly
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Jan 16 2013, 1:50am
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This must be the hot dwarves thread!!! Squeeeeeeee! :-). //
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Kimtc
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Jan 16 2013, 3:28am
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With these Tolkien movie heroes, it's really all about the hair.
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One of my favorite moments in the Air New Zealand in flight safety video was when "Aragorn" flipped his hair. In fact, I think I saw an interview with RA where he said he and his pony had a hair thing going (the pony kept flipping his long mane). And of course Legolas and Thranduil have the prettiest hair in middle earth (sorry, Arwen). I am sure there is a dissertation in here, somewhere.
I have to admit, you have a point there! You'd be so busy staring at his hair, that you wouldn't notice stuff missing. Because that hair is pretty spellbinding, isn't it?
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swordwhale
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Jan 16 2013, 4:47am
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If they don't get some oscars.... we're all going to march on... on... whoever's responsible for oscar giving!
Let me just say I've been rather Elf-centric since I read the Book in 1978.
Then I saw the character designs for the Dwarves...
... I lack words to describe the awesomeness. I was so pleased to see they did not simply go with Yet Another Short Stout Guy With Lots of Beard for all of them.
If you notice, each set (relatives with rhyming names) has a similar style, reflecting their common place of origin.
Well, except for OriDoriNori. The starfish thing is way out there, and daring. And I thought about all three of those brothers... Dori the Fussy, Classic, Traditional. Ori who looks like a medieval scribe or monk (or let his mom cut his hair). And, um, yeah. Starfish Dude. I feel he may be the Dwarf equivalent of punk or Goth or something. Kind of like he's read all the latest fashion blogs... I mean, braided eyebrows... now where'd I put...????
Kili's wild pooka mane is pretty much the classic wild child look. Um... yeah... well... technically he's still older than me!
Around here (southcentral PA) the biker crowd and anybody else who wants to look tough goes for the bald/tattooed look.
Go outside and play...
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swordwhale
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Jan 16 2013, 4:49am
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Just got the Tauriel action figure... holycrappoly, she's got hair down to her knees! And it's knotted in an interesting way at the end of a long flow of loose hair.
I wish guys around here would get over the shaved nearlybald look already... I love Middle Earth hair.
Go outside and play...
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Old Toby
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Jan 16 2013, 5:12am
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I think Thorin's hair deserves its own Oscar: Best Supporting Hair in a Motion Picture.
"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)
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Old Toby
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Jan 16 2013, 5:21am
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I think he's the only one who notices because he's the last in line
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of the dwarves being herded away, so he's the only one who could see him. He wouldn't have mentioned it to any of the others because..well, they were all rather busy after that. And did you notice how messed up his hair was after they had escaped out of the goblins' mountain stronghold? Man, did he need a re-do or what?
Wait....what happened to my pipe?
"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 16 2013, 5:38am
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Being last in line, thanks! And yes, his hair was pretty disheveled by the end of the movie!
Now where did I put my glasses?
There it is: dwarves are not heroes, but calculating folk with a great idea of the value of money; some are tricky and treacherous and pretty bad lots; some are not, but are decent enough people like Thorin and Company, if you don’t expect too much.
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Roheryn
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Jan 16 2013, 6:27am
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I'd vote for that. 
The way his nicely-arranged hair gently flows over his shoulders when he says (majestically) "Gandalf! I thought you said this place was easy to find!"; the way his damp hair adds a touch of softness to his fierce warface in the Battle of Azanulbizar; the way his hair flings over his shoulders when he starts to leap up in the cave after Bilbo's and Bofur's talk; the way his damp (again) hair majestically tosses over his shoulder when he's shaken by the Warg; yep, that hair can act!
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Roheryn
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Jan 16 2013, 9:20am
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I thought Nori looked guilty there...
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like he knew he ought to do something about Bilbo but he wasn't going to risk his own neck to do it. Or maybe he was hoping if he kept quiet and let Bilbo slip away, that Bilbo would end up saving the day? Somehow I suspect Nori's pretty good at making sure it's not his own neck that gets risked first.
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dave_lf
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Jan 16 2013, 10:15pm
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The correct spelling is "heir"
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and it's Fili, then Kili, then Dain.
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ryouko
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Jan 16 2013, 11:27pm
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If you notice, each set (relatives with rhyming names) has a similar style, reflecting their common place of origin.
Well, except for OriDoriNori. The starfish thing is way out there, and daring. And I thought about all three of those brothers... Dori the Fussy, Classic, Traditional. Ori who looks like a medieval scribe or monk (or let his mom cut his hair). And, um, yeah. Starfish Dude. I feel he may be the Dwarf equivalent of punk or Goth or something. Kind of like he's read all the latest fashion blogs... I mean, braided eyebrows... now where'd I put...????
Here's something to put a little perspective into it. I read in one of the Companions that the three actors decided that they had the same mother but different fathers. They used that to explain why each is different from the others. Perhaps, Dori's was some kind of aristocrat, Nori's was a "bad boy" type, and Ori's was a meek clerical type.
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Rolfina
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Jan 17 2013, 1:44pm
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especially seeing as there are so much more male vs. female dwarves, it's only fair that they all get their.... share I guess. 
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ryouko
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Jan 17 2013, 9:27pm
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We also don't know the death rate for male Dwarves. Yeah, they can live a few centuries, but are there a lot of deaths from accidents and fighting?
And what, exactly, is the stance on marriage. Do they have conventional marriage like Men? Or, is it a short term thing, since women are so few? Is there any marriage at all? Or is there some kind of "mating ritual" thing? You never hear about these things. I guess it was never important to the stories, but it makes me curious nonetheless. ^_^
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marillaraina
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Jan 18 2013, 12:39am
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We also don't know the death rate for male Dwarves. Yeah, they can live a few centuries, but are there a lot of deaths from accidents and fighting?
And what, exactly, is the stance on marriage. Do they have conventional marriage like Men? Or, is it a short term thing, since women are so few? Is there any marriage at all? Or is there some kind of "mating ritual" thing? You never hear about these things. I guess it was never important to the stories, but it makes me curious nonetheless. ^_^
As I recall dwarves supposedly get married "forever", though I think the idea was actually that women are rare(and often choose not to marry themselves) and the men themselves often choose not to get married, even beyond the fact that the male/female ratio tends to be 2 males to 1 female. Or 3 to 1, it depends I can't remember if there are 1/3 the number of females as there are males OR if females are 1/3 of the total population. 1/3 of the total population means 2 males to 1 female. 1/3 the number of the male population means 1 female to 3 males, I think.
That's why dwarf children themselves are pretty rare.
So as I recall reading, dwarves do marry and if they marry it's for life but both male and females often choose of their own volition to NOT marry because most of the time they just aren't that into each other. LOL I don't know I get the idea that dwarves for the most part don't have strong libidoes, it's not a "guiding force" for them, they tend to be more interested in the work they are doing than in romances with each other.
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