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uncle Iorlas
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Nov 20 2024, 5:54pm
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dwarf song question
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With my apologies, I could use a hand from the close readers of these films. I have heard many mentions of the dwarves singing in Bag End. It appears that they aren’t shown plowing through the baker’s dozen verses of the full thing? Are there callbacks later, or do they sing the whole thing in the credits, or anything? If someone wants to hear the definitive version of this song as it appears in the films, what would that version be? Is there a definitive version?
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Nov 20 2024, 9:35pm
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I think the Mind's Eye adaptation of The Hobbit for radio might have a more complete version, but it is also a different arrangement. The same for the "Over the Misty Mountains" song. This also includes the song that is sung by the Dwarves inside Erebor to try to soothe Thorin.
The audio drama can be found on YouTube.
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella
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uncle Iorlas
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Nov 20 2024, 9:42pm
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I’m not familiar! How old is this? I’ll have to go look it up.
In this case what I need is to check the details of the arrangement in the Jackson movie. And it is, pretty sure, the “far over the Misty Mountains cold” song from the unexpected party that I’m looking for. Somebody asked me to sing it and the party in question is a huge fan of the movie so this is clearly the arrangement I need to be studying up on. I’ve seen a scene on YouTubr where they sing two verses. Is that all that happens in the movie? No callbacks? Andy Serkis uses pretty much the same arrangement in his audiobook version of the Hobbit but his gruff growly delivery, quite serviceable, is not the most precise template to work from.
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uncle Iorlas
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Nov 20 2024, 9:44pm
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I should say, I am unclear on one more thing: I have been told the professor himself somewhere or other provided a canonical melody for every song in his corpus. Is this true? Is the melody in the movie his own?
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uncle Iorlas
Nargothrond
Nov 22 2024, 6:48pm
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I never noticed this before (but as I have discovered many a time, you notice tons of things when you’re looking to engage creatively with the text somehow)! But Oin and Gloin are not named as fetching or playing any musical instruments at the unexpected party. Everyone else does—a reasonably balanced little orchestra (I have always assumed their instruments, at least the large ones, are ultimately stolen by the goblins along with the ponies I assume they are mostly packed on). But not these two.
Are they specially good singers? Do they have instruments of their own whose specifics, like Mr. Bliss’ motorcar, the author merely tires from time to time of repeating? Or do their fire-kindling talents exempt them from musical participation?
Maybe they’re specially *bad* singers.
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uncle Iorlas
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Nov 22 2024, 6:56pm
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I suddenly find myself absorbed with curiosity as to what sort of drum Bombur has got. I had always imagined a big bass drum, marching band style, which may have been an unconscious fat joke, but was also one of the luggage problems. But maybe it’s a tambourine. It could be a bodhran but then we’re beginning to open up the question of what nationality the professor imagined the dwarves as being. He does give his cousin and brother clarinets—but to imagine their music as klezmer reopens a painful old can of worms. Thorin has a harp; I suppose the truth seems to be, their orchestra is pretty modern as of the writing of the Hobbit. Maybe Bombur plays a snare? A little hip-slung tomtom of a military sort? Coupla bongos?
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uncle Iorlas
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Nov 22 2024, 7:00pm
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absent stout evidence to the contrary
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I am declaring that Gloin plays jaw harp, and Oin plays the spoons (which indeed may have inadvertently set in motion a generations-long feud between branches of the Baggins family).
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