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Bernhardina
Nargothrond
Apr 29 2014, 3:40pm
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You are not the only guardian to stand watch over middle earth
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Well, here's an AUJ question to lighten up the mood!  What does lord Elrond mean by this?
"So this is your purpose, to enter the mountain? There are some who would not deem it wise. You are not the only guardian to stand watch over middle earth".
I don't get who he is refering to here. Galadriel? Azog? Saruman? He says this to Gandalf as if Gandalf has forgotten that he is not the only maia or something. It might be that english is not my first language, but can anyone explain this to me? 
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Fŕfnir
Nargothrond
Apr 29 2014, 3:47pm
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he's the other Istari, maiar that were sent to watch over middle earth and counter Sauron's plans, and Saruman do not think it is wise to help Thorin to take back Erebor. It could be because he doesn't want the dragon to be awaken, or because he has plans of his own that changes in middle earth politics could compromise
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MouthofSauron
Dor-Lomin
Apr 29 2014, 5:11pm
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at first i thought it was azog because the scene comes right after but
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its Saruman.
The flames of war are upon you..
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Bombadil
Gondolin
Apr 29 2014, 6:41pm
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To Our Beautiful Finish Damsel....
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When you first saw it
Was there something
LOST in Translation?
Seems that it was a
Perfect Introduction
to the MOST Beautiful
Creature in MiddleEarth...
Only to have it spoiled by
Saruman?
So much can read into it
Just by Gandalf's reactions
to these two....
More Galadriel!
......Bombyzz
Favorite other
than Goldberry!
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Azimuth
Lindon
Apr 29 2014, 7:05pm
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I thought that Elrond was talking about the White Council. As far as I remember this group was formed to watch over Middle-earth and to protect it, wasn't it?
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Apr 29 2014, 7:36pm
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Elrond was definitely referring to the other Wizards, and probably to the rest of the White Council (including himself).
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Bernhardina
Nargothrond
Apr 29 2014, 9:00pm
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Thanks, I think I understand now! So he was sort of saying to Gandalf "don't forget that we should decide this together" or "don't rush into something without knowing the opinion of others" ? 
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Bombadil
Gondolin
Apr 29 2014, 10:43pm
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You are From Sweden Not Finland...
Bombyzz Bad
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Glassary
Ossiriand
Apr 29 2014, 11:41pm
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Likewise took it to mean the White Council
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and of course the Istari. But really only Sauruman as the Istari rep on the council as
Radagast and the two blues don't seem to be invited.
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MouthofSauron
Dor-Lomin
Apr 30 2014, 2:45am
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but Saruman is the "head of the order"
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as stated by Gandalf in FOTR. Saruman can veto Gandalf's decision as he was going to do but Gandalf sent the dwarves on their way before he could.
The flames of war are upon you..
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Bernhardina
Nargothrond
Apr 30 2014, 9:17am
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... Saruman? I like it 
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Sildarion~Valenar
Nevrast
Apr 30 2014, 10:13am
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I do not like that bit of dialogue one bit.
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It sounds condescending coming from Elrond.
And while Gandalf is certainly second to Saruman among the Istari, it does not mean Gandalf has to report every task, every secret, every finding he comes across in his journeys. He is not subservient to Saruman, never mind Galadriel or Elrond.
"War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend."
~ Tolkien lets Faramir speak his own view on war and glory
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Arannir
Doriath
Apr 30 2014, 10:43am
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... himself, Galadriel and Saruman, but in a very general term.
Gandalf has chosen one very particular way of approaching his mission, which Elrond appreciates.
But Elrond also knows that Gandalf might tend to be so caught up in his approach that the doings of his fellow WC members might not always fully be on his mind and part of his considerations.
“All good stories deserve embellishment."
Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."
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Noria
Hithlum
Apr 30 2014, 1:03pm
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as a general reference to the White Council and the Istari, who of course overlap to some extent.
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Apr 30 2014, 1:46pm
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The Blue Wizards never participated in the White Council
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and of course the Istari. But really only Sauruman as the Istari rep on the council as
Radagast and the two blues don't seem to be invited.
If the Blues were ever considered to be part of the White Council it was on a technicality. They had disappeared into the South or East long before the Council was formed (although there had been previous Councils of the Wiise before the Istari came to Middle-earth).
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Glassary
Ossiriand
Apr 30 2014, 4:16pm
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They get to be maia/istari/wizards and basically end up as interesting footnotes.
Poor guys didn't even get their own color they had to both be blue.
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Na Vedui
Nargothrond
Apr 30 2014, 10:01pm
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... interesting article - thanks for the link .
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
May 1 2014, 1:31am
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Or the Groo Wizards?
Have I erred?
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Meneldor
Doriath
May 1 2014, 2:37am
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Where Groo?
And why do I have a sudden craving for a ton of cheese dip?
They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep.
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Nargothrond
May 1 2014, 10:36am
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In one of Tolkien's later writings, he describes Allatar (maybe Pallando, not real sure) as wearing "sea blue", which is almost a turquoise. So the other would have probably worn something darker.
How many Tolkien fans does it take to change a light bulb?
"Change? Oh my god, what do you mean change?! Never, never, never......"
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
May 1 2014, 12:41pm
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Where Groo?
And why do I have a sudden craving for a ton of cheese dip?
I wasn't sure anyone would get my silly in-joke! SInce you asked, Mark Evanier reports that the Groo/Conan crossover is completed and is being scheduled as we speak. New Groo comics are in the works. For those who don't know, Groo is a bumbling, cartoonish barbarian swordsman created by Sergio Aragonés (Mad magazine) with the aid of Mark Evanier (DNAgents).
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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