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Mooseboy018
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Nov 16 2014, 6:58am
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"Different types of trolls that appear in The Battle of Five Armies: Snow Trolls (only before seen in a Lord of the Rings video game), Cave Trolls, and Olog-hai"
Has this been discussed? I feel like this sort of slipped through the cracks. Should we assume that the weird looking half-orc/orge/weird goblin things from the trailer are actually Snow Trolls?
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Drakblod
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Nov 16 2014, 8:59am
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Are you talking about the pale/white thing seen standing next to the catapult trolls in the trailer? Hmm, that actually might be a snow troll. If I recall right it's said that the snow trolls are the smartest of trolls, so it'd be fitting if one had a kind of commander thing going on..
like butter scraped over too much bread.
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Carne
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Nov 16 2014, 11:28am
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Nov 16 2014, 11:45am
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I don't believe this pale one to be a Snow Troll. There are several reasons:
1.) Wouldn't a Troll that lives in cold northern regions of Middle-earth wear some kind of fur and not be naked?
2.) There are several biological rules (of course Middle-earth is fiction and anything is possible but) one of the biological rules I learned about in school says that animals of a certain kind of species are bigger as farer north or south of the equator they live. For example Penguins. The smallest kind of penguin, the Galapagos penguin, lives near the equator while their biggest relative, the Emperor penguin, lives in the far south in the Antarctic. All the different kinds of penguin between them grow bigger the more you go south. It's the same with bears. Their biggest family member, the polar bear, lives far more north than his smaller relatives the black or brown bears. With wolves or deers it's the same. I even believe it's somehow similar for humans. People from northern Europe are taller than people from the Mediterranean region.
--> So if we transfer this rule to Trolls we could asume that Snow Trolls are much bigger than Cave or Stone Trolls who live in much warmer regions of Middle-earth. I'm not sure if they're even bigger than Olog-Hai since they are a new bred version of Troll. But this pale one is much than the Cave Trolls we see in the trailer carrying the catapults and the Goblins on their backs.
3.) I'm pretty sure (and I'm not the only one) that this pale and almost naked fellow is not a Troll but the new leader of the Misty Mountain Goblins. Some kind of successor of the Goblin King... the new Great Goblin so to speak. He looks more like a big Goblin than a small troll to me. He might even be some kind of cross bred version of Troll and Goblin... maybe that's also a reason why he (and the Goblin King) are much bigger than their much smaller subjects.
Of course these are all LOGICAL reasons. Since Middle-earth is obviously fantasy/fiction nothing has to be logical and biological correct. But I like both Snow Trolls designs we already have seen in video games. The one we've seen in "Battle for Middle-earth 2: The Rise of the Witch-King" was more compatible with my first point since they wear some kind of fur (Snow Troll in "Rise of the Witch-King") and the other design we've seen in "Lord Of The Rings: War in the North" lives more up to my second point since he was much, much bigger than a Cave Troll (Snow Troll in "War in the North"). So if we see Snow Trolls in BOTFA I honestly hope for some giant hairy beasts. Perhaps like this big fellow on the left on this concept art: BOTFA concept art
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(This post was edited by Lieutenant of Dol Guldur on Nov 16 2014, 11:47am)
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DeadRabbits
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Nov 16 2014, 11:51am
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http://www.theonering.net/...-movie-tie-in-books/
His design doesn't exactly look snow troll-like to me (though I haven't seen one before, I would have imagined something more brutal and "yeti like"). Someone else on this board claimed to have heard rumors of that he's in fact an ogre. Don't know how reliable the source is, but I could definitely see PJ include ogres based one the only mention of them in the original text (just as snow trolls only get mentioned once in the Appendices in a reference to how a white-clad Helm Hammerhand broke through the Dunlending ranks and slaying them with his bare hands - no reference to a real snow troll exists in Tolkien's texts though).
Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought
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DeadRabbits
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Nov 16 2014, 12:48pm
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... with your point that you would expect a snow troll, that obviously comes from the cold regions of ME, to be both bigger and furrier than cave or stone trolls, not to mention this ogre/half troll/goblin guy.
Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought
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Cirashala
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Nov 16 2014, 8:19pm
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there are exceptions to those size rules
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I'm 3/8 Scandinavian (Norse and Swedish) but I am only 5 feet tall. My mom is 1/4 Swedish, and she's only four foot eleven inches (her grandfather was six feet four inches, so sad he didn't pass those genes down!).
So as a general rule, yes the polar locations tend to have larger animals than the equatorial locations, but that's not 100% true in all cases 
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Earl
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Nov 17 2014, 2:25am
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I'm sure PJ would find any excuse to go bigger anyway :D //
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The Hobbit Soundtracks - Being an online archive of information concerning Howard Shore's score for The Hobbit films.
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KeenObserver
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Nov 17 2014, 3:53am
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Thanks for linking those cool images, deskp.
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