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jackster
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Feb 6 2016, 8:25pm
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Unpopular Hobbit trilogy opinions?
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Here are mine:
I loved the scene at the end of AUJ where Thorin hugs Bilbo
While still unessesary, I though Smaug vs the dwarves was a really fun, great scene
I think that if you really embrace it's ridiculousness, the fight between Bolg and Legolas is awesome
The actor for Beorn could have been a lot better
I like the color grading in AUJ much more than the other two
Thorin' dragon sickness plot line is bland, kind of stupid, and never really works despite the actor's solid performance
BOTFA works solely as an entertaining fantasy war movie, not an emotionally satisfying conclusion to a trilogy
The worst scene in the entire trilogy is when Bard saves his kids from the troll
The EE scene where Bifur loses his axe is kind of terrible, sorry to admit it but it was really cringe-worthy
What are yours?
Also, when I say "unpopular", I mean on this board
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HOBBITFAN13
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Feb 6 2016, 8:37pm
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I 100% agree with end of AUJ scene it gives you the emotional feel that was in once LOTR somewhat.
The chase in Erebor I thought really screwed up the movie.
The Legolas vs Bolg fight was ok I guess not a big fan of it though. Still think it's kind of ridiculous in some aspects.
100% agree color grading for AUJ is absolutely better than the next two.
Thorins Dragon sickness I thought was done brilliantly except for the scene with him on the golden floor. For some reason that scene bothered me.
BOFA I think is a BLOCKBUSTER film not a ROTK masterpiece. I think PJ could have done better on so many aspects including the battle.
The worst scene in the trilogy for me is everything Alfrid in BOFA. He was fine ins DOS though.
And the Bofur scene had horrible editing cutting it with Bard saying, "Follow me!"
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BlackFox
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Feb 6 2016, 9:27pm
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I think the poo is a nice touch to Radagast's bird nest hairdo
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Beat that. 
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MyWeeLadGimli
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Feb 6 2016, 11:11pm
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I think there should have been more singing
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I wish DOS and BOFA had kept more of the spirit of the book, including the songs at Beorn's house and in Mirkwood. Also, talking animals.
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AshNazg
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Feb 6 2016, 11:47pm
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Imagine if animals talked when Bilbo put on the Ring...
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Like the spiders - every time Bilbo puts on the Ring he can hear animals talk. Smaug cannot speak until Bilbo wears the Ring, and Bilbo uses the Ring to send the thrush to tell Bard about the hollow spot. Could have been a cool way to have talking animals without it seeming too weird or cheesy.
Songs - for my fan-edits I've been using a youtube singer called Adele Mcallister, for the credits songs. It just injects a bit more Tolkien into the films...
AUJ - We zoom through the mountain into Smaug's eye. The Eye opens and: https://youtu.be/JZnPlBOZOvs
DoS - Smaug flies to Laketown. "What have we done??" [cut to black] and: https://youtu.be/vN4SybJkRoY
BoFA - The camera zooms in toward the map, credits appear and: https://youtu.be/qv41-EkLj4I
There are song great adaptations of Tolkien songs out there: https://youtu.be/cZdGE8_fOMM
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
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Feb 7 2016, 6:38am
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All three of 'em are excellent.
Bilbo: These are dark days.
Bofur: Dark days indeed.
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MyWeeLadGimli
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Feb 7 2016, 6:44am
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I really wanted to have talking ravens, and the Ring couldn't explain him, since he speaks to the Dwarves. That would be a neat way of covering the other animals though.
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LSF
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Feb 7 2016, 6:46am
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There is only one scene i wish hadn't made it in, in all three EEs. I have no problem with and/or really like everything else.
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LSF
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Feb 7 2016, 7:03am
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I much prefer him running off and never seeing him again over the death scene. But it's not "bad" enough for me to even think about fast-forwarding through. So, not really liking 1.5 ish minutes out of 9.5 hours is awesome 
And I agree with your unpopular opinion
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Noria
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Feb 7 2016, 2:16pm
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All three of 'em are excellent.
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dormouse
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Feb 7 2016, 2:20pm
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Three excellent films - making one excllent film to the power of three (or something!).
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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grimbeorn15
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Feb 7 2016, 3:08pm
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Very interesting. Here are my unpopular opinions for each movie-
AUJ-
1. It's too long overall. Editing was needed for the theatrical edition and more could have been saved for EE.
2. Riddles in the Dark is too long. Yes, it's brilliant, but it kills the pacing.
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1. Tauriel and Kili feast of starlight scene is perfect. Very well done.
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1. Dwarves fighting Elves (EE). Perfect. Enough said.
2. Alfrid's death. Finally satisfied.
3. Bifur loses his axe. Awful placement. I hate where the scene takes place and wish it didn't exist.
4. Story resolution- I'm glad we didn't find out what happened to Tauriel. It leaves things to the imagination which I think if more powerful.
5. I actually like anything to do with Radaghast in all movies.
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AshNazg
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Feb 7 2016, 4:06pm
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Ravens do speak in real life...
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So it wouldn't be hard to give him a few Khuzdul lines without it looking bad. Especially with Thorin's dragon sickness - him muttering in dwarvish to a raven could have been an effective way to emphasize his madness.
https://youtu.be/AfsnHVaScjg
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Otaku-sempai
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Feb 7 2016, 4:21pm
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I was rather hoping that the ravens would croak out a few lines, but since the Dwarves of the book could also understand crows having them understand the ravens' speech worked out well enough.
"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
- Dream of the Endless
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malickfan
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Feb 7 2016, 5:53pm
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AUJ is the best film of the three.
BOTFA is a rushed, underwhelming conclusion as a film (only seen it the once can't really remember any of it) and the actual battle somehow managed to feel bloated, boring and confused all at once.
Richard Armitage's Thorin did nothing for me, I actually liked Thorin more in the book (ironically Armitage is closet to how I imagined Dain in the books, whilst Billy Connoly is fairly similar to how I picture)
Tauriel was a interesting enough character on her own, her cliched underdeveloped 'love story' was unnecessary and detrimental to the character.
Martin Freeman was a fantastic Bilbo, but I found some of his tics and facial expressions distracting, and I'm honest I still prefer Ian Holm's take on the character.
It was a bad idea to have the same editor for all three films.
The Music was by and large very forgettable.
I'm inclined to think I'd prefer the two film originally intended over the trilogy we got.
Despite all the hype and enthusiasm of the actors, most of Thorin's company remain one note, having little more to distinguish them other than crazy hairstyles.
The Barrel ride sequence was one of my favourite sequences from the film.
Personally I was not a fan of Beorn's character design or the actors performance...honestly I think they should have dropped him entirely from the films, and I say that as a huge fan of the character.
I still regret the absence of the Talking Purse.
Ken Stott's Balin was my favorite Character in the trilogy.
Personally I'll take 'Oh Tra La La lally' over Radagast mugging around with bird poo on his face anyday.
I still consider the graphic novel to be the superior adaptation.
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ThorinsNemesis
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Feb 7 2016, 6:27pm
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I love the Hobbit trilogy , for me it is a faithful adaption of the book and the best movies ever made; the Desolation of Smaug is my favorite one. And to me the movies are better than the book.
I like the additions of Legolas, Tauriel, Azog and Alfrid - to me they all serve their purpose in the movies, and none of them overshadowed any of the main characters. And I adored Alfrid's death scene, it was funny, and it wasn't boring or stupid imo.
Beorn's actor was very good in his role.
I prefer Legolas as he is in the Hobbit more than in the LOTR - because, let's admit it, he has a more active role and a better fleshed out personality in the Hobbit, at least imo.
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Nieriel
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Feb 7 2016, 9:59pm
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I've had The Hobbit in my head since I was five, and it is the first book I remember being aware of, so I grew up with knowledge of it. I've been making pictures of it in my head since then. So, that said:
All three films were excellent, but my unpopular opinion is that the BOFA EE is my favorite, and I don't even know why, it just is. Next is AUJ and then DOS.
Beorn is exactly how I'd imagined him and so was his house.
The three trolls scene is wonderful; again it's what I saw in my head when I was small.
Martin Freeman's Bilbo is the definitive Bilbo, for me.
I think the dwarves looked great - to me, they looked like dwarves.
Azog, although a CGI creation, is terrifying. He is gloriously revolting.
As an aside there is something in the creation of Bolg's voice that makes my dog hide under my desk when she hears him!
"Our loves are not given, but only lent." Rudyard Kipling
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Nieriel
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Feb 8 2016, 1:35am
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is such a gorgeous horse! I envy Lee Pace getting to spend time with such an incredible animal - I've ridden an eighteen hands high horse before and it's an amazing experience. Personally, I put Moose's problem down to 'making the most of his part' and 'hogging the camera'
"Our loves are not given, but only lent." Rudyard Kipling
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Fereth
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Feb 8 2016, 2:08am
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Is that I thought Moose would have been a far more impressive mount for Thranduil than the CGI Irish elk.
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Feb 8 2016, 10:32pm
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It just looked like they CGI's an Elk's head on a horse - not good at all!
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Feb 8 2016, 10:38pm
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I may be the only person on TORn that actually LIKED the Stone Giants scene. Maybe I'm just different, but that's what I recalled from the book (though apparently not much of anything else). My favorite fight scene in DOS is Tauriel & Legolas vs Orcs in Bard's house. My favorite fight scene overall is Thorin v. Azog on ice. I LIKED Goth/Drowned Galadriel, and think the Dol Goldur subplot was the best addition to the story. I also really liked the gold floor scene - don't know why some people hate it, to me it gets the point of Thorin losing himself to the gold-sickness perfectly. And my most unpopular opinion of all: I absolutely HATE the fact that both nephews died (hated it in the book, too), and wish PJ had changed the ending so that at least one of them lived - but that's just me.
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ThorinsNemesis
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Feb 8 2016, 10:53pm
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I liked the Stone Giants as well  . And the Dol Guldur subplot was amazing, dunno why some people critisize it so much.
I would have liked either Thorin, Kili or Fili to live - to me they looked like the heirs of Erebor, while Dain (especially in the movies) fits more for the Iron Hills, imo.
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RosieLass
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Feb 9 2016, 12:39am
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I wish they had included some "O! tra-la-la-lally"
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And the Talking Purse.
"Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it."
--Joyce Meyer
A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP
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