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DeadRabbits
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Nov 7 2014, 8:04am
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The new (half-troll? ogre?) villain from the trailer
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I guess many of you noted that there's a new villain in town, judging by the trailer. He seems to be rather important to the plot, considering that he's appearing no less than three times - around 1:36, 1:57 and 2:13 (unless I'm mistaken, of course). He is of unknown origin.
Here he's standing in front of the trolls. He's way smaller than them, but also rather big for an orc. His crude loincloth and club seems rather troll-like, though (like the pot-belly).
He share's some human and troll-like facial features, which has led me to believe that he in fact could be a half-troll (I don't really want to think about how he was conceived, though). His left arm appears to be disproportionately small, while the right ones seems normal.
I believe this is him once again, getting run over by Bard's cart in Dale. Could he be some kind of Gundabad commander, providing trolls and other monsters for Azog's army?
Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought
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Danielos
Nargothrond
Nov 7 2014, 8:08am
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He looks really fake and CGI.
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DeadRabbits
Nargothrond
Nov 7 2014, 8:25am
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As opposed to real life half-trolls you mean? //
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Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought
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Estel78
Dor-Lomin
Nov 7 2014, 8:25am
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Not another CGI rant, please...
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CGI this, CGI that, that's all you hear and not just with Hobbit. People have become so jaded. Sometimes i wish we were still in the nineties where effects got appreciated.
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MouthofSauron
Dor-Lomin
Nov 7 2014, 8:41am
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Lol i have no idea what that thing is
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i thought it was gollum for a split second when i first watched the trailer. My guess is yeah half troll half human. Gandalf tells Thranduil; "he's breeding trolls with goblin men". 
The flames of war are upon you..
(This post was edited by Altaira on Mar 1 2015, 5:32pm)
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sauget.diblosio
Dor-Lomin
Nov 7 2014, 8:46am
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Looks like a member of the Max Rebo Band
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from the Special Editions (worst moment in Star Wars history).
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cats16
Gondolin
Nov 7 2014, 8:49am
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Very many half-Orcs and half-Trolls, and Olog-Hai and wicked men in Tolkien whom we haven't seen in the films. This character isn't too far from how I imagined some horrid cross-bred creature of Sauron to appear.
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Eleniel
Dor-Lomin
Nov 7 2014, 9:04am
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I thought I read somewhere on the Boards...
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a suggestion that he might be the new leader of the Misty Mountain goblins, out to revenge the Goblin King's death - maybe even an offspring of said GG?
"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort
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Glorfindela
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Nov 7 2014, 9:10am
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How do you know? Have you seen a 'real' one, then? Please, tell me where, so that I can see this marvel.
Unrealistic. He looks really fake and CGI.
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Boromir Stark
Ossiriand
Nov 7 2014, 9:13am
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Though I didn't see any of the Misty Mountain goblins in the trailer.
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Arannir
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Nov 7 2014, 9:16am
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For me, this shot shows the superiority of such CGI creatures over prosthetics.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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Danielos
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Nov 7 2014, 9:25am
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How do you know? Have you seen a 'real' one, then? Please, tell me where, so that I can see this marvel. Unrealistic. He looks really fake and CGI.
Do you think that shot look like reality? A photograph of a real creature? As real as a photo of a lion or a dog? No, it looks fake, not because trolls don´t exist but because it doesn´t look like a physical being caught on film.
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shaundobson
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Nov 7 2014, 9:32am
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Beorn says in DOS that 'there is an alliance between the orcs of Moria and the necromancer of Dol Guldur'.
So... where the hell are the Moria orcs/goblins ? I would have thought this would have been a prime excuse to bring back the Goblins from FOTR 
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Shagrat
Mithlond
Nov 7 2014, 9:48am
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The one at Dale is another character. Firstly he does not look much like the other in the face. Secondly he appears to get killed by a cart, and I expect the close-up shot of the other one takes place at a later point in the film.
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DeadRabbits
Nargothrond
Nov 7 2014, 9:56am
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... they look kind of similar though. I guess it remains to be seen.
Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought
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Crunchable Birdses
Nargothrond
Nov 7 2014, 10:06am
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At first I thought he was a regular mountain troll, in the mold of William, Bert etc.
Then I thought Misty Mountain Goblin, but now I'm leaning towards just some "Orc"
Difficult to classify this one at the mo.
Orc/Troll cross would make sense.
* crunch *
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Mithlond
Nov 7 2014, 10:25am
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Yeah that was a thought that came to my mind
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It would be a good way to go back to the source material since for the Goblins in the book the main reason for marching towards Erebor is the death of the Goblin King.
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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Macsen
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Nov 7 2014, 10:28am
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I don't think it's a CGI problem, I just think it looks rather catoonish. The big, child-like head, small arms and pot belly makes it looks like an exaggerated drawing than a real creature. The rest of the trailer is quite good, but this creature jarred for some reason. I suppose even the Goblin King would seem out of place in the trailer, because the whole world has become a bit darker and grittier since AUJ.
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FiliSonOfDis
Ossiriand
Nov 7 2014, 10:30am
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Some where I read someone throwing around the idea that it is an ogre... they are mentioned by bilbo in the hobbit. not at the battle but its the only mention of "ogres" in all of middle earth and it exists in the hobbit while bilbo is trying to guess one of gollums riddles. Wouldn't put that small mention past mr jackson adding one in... maybe we'll get were worms too...
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boldog
Nargothrond
Nov 7 2014, 10:33am
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......he looks like he could be Azogs dad or something. Obviously not, nut he does share similarities to azog I must say...
Azog and Bolg. That is all I can say.............
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dormouse
Gondolin
Nov 7 2014, 12:27pm
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He (or she) looks just like Bert, Tom and William to me...
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... which would make sense, I think. In AUJ the presence of the three trolls so far south was seen as an early warning that things were going wrong, so to have one or more of their kind in the battle links them back into the story - it means they're not just three isolated trolls that are nothing like all the other trolls in the films.
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Crunchable Birdses
Nargothrond
Nov 7 2014, 12:43pm
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It seems like a good idea to have the intelligent mountain trolls commanding the more animalistic cave trolls (and the catapult-bearing trolls look like giant cave trolls if you ask me)
It's really hard to tell from the battle shot whether or not our mystery guy really is troll-sized though. I assume the catapult trolls are mega-giant trolls, but even so it's hard to tell.
The most likely explanation is that he's just a big old orc. His looks are definitely within the orc spectrum.
* crunch *
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Fàfnir
Nargothrond
Nov 7 2014, 12:48pm
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I think we can distinguish some of them on top of the trolls /
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adt100
Nargothrond
Nov 7 2014, 2:38pm
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I think he has an interesting design!
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Different from all the other odious, disgusting, savage orcs we are used to. It's a pleasant change tbh. This is The Hobbit after all and is meant to be slightly lighter (if I dare say that!) than LOTR. It's nice to have a slightly more friendly looking troll... like those in Trollshaws in fact!
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