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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Oct 25 2015, 6:16pm
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Thranduils line about Ecthelion of Gondor
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Was he a Stewart already in the time of the hobbit?
With all sweet mentions here and there it would have been cool to have heard the name of TomBombadil in this trilogy
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MyWeeLadGimli
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Oct 25 2015, 7:39pm
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In the book, no. Ecthelion did not become Steward until 2953, whereas the Hobbit takes place in 2941. But PJ's timeline diverges in several ways from the book's timeline, so maybe in the film he became Steward earlier.
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ThorinsNemesis
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Oct 25 2015, 8:07pm
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What if Thranduil wasn't referring to Ecthelion as stewart? In the books he is still a prince as his father is still alive.
But what if Thranduil meant something like 'Prince Ecthelion of Gondor likes gems and will give you a good price for the Arkenstone.'?
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EgyptRaider
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Oct 25 2015, 8:15pm
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The timeline moved like 20 years?
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I think people did the calculations of the missing years between movies and books, which mostly relates to the start of FotR where Frodo's leaves immediatly for Bree, that would also explain Strider's age in BotFA and this statement
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ThorinsNemesis
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Oct 25 2015, 8:25pm
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I think PJ just removed the 18 years gap between Bilbo's party and Frodo leaving the Shire - so the War of the Ring happens in 3001 instead of in 3019.
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Eleniel
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Oct 25 2015, 9:08pm
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Indeed he did - which wouldn't have been a problem in itself...
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...except that in the TTT EE they put in a line where Aragorn tells Eowyn that he is 87 years old - which he would have been in 3018, not 3001! 
"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
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ThorinsNemesis
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Oct 25 2015, 9:12pm
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Then either he moved Aragorn's birth date 17 years earlier, or he really moved the entire timeline earlier  .
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Eleniel
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Oct 25 2015, 9:22pm
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Yeah, and most favour the former...
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...that's why folks argue that Aragorn was not a ten-year-old at the time of The Hobbit movies, but old enough to be a young ranger already.
"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 25 2015, 9:29pm
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For the Lord of the Ring films, my rule-of-thumb is to subtract seventeen years from the events in the War of the Ring and for the ages of most characters tied closely to it. So if Ecthelion II became the Last Ruling Steward of Gondor in TA 2953 in Tolkien's legendarium then in the film-universe he probably gained the position in 2936.
Quest of Erebor
- book: 2941
- films: 2940
Bilbo's Birthday/Farewell Party
- book: September 22, 3001
- films: September 22, 3000
War of the Ring
- book: 3018-3019
- films: 3001-3002
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 25 2015, 9:36pm
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Then either he moved Aragorn's birth date 17 years earlier, or he really moved the entire timeline earlier .
Well, in Jackson's extended edition of The Two Towers Aragorn tells Éowyn that he is 87 years old on the way to Helm's Deep, theoretically in March of 3002. That is how I make him out to be 25 years old at the time of the Battle of Five Armies in 2940.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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ThorinsNemesis
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Oct 26 2015, 6:36am
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So all characters' timelines during the War of the Ring, including Aragorn and Ecthelion's, were changed together with the 17 years change in LOTR? That would explain both Aragorn's age and Ecthelion being stewart during the Quest of Erebor.
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Oct 26 2015, 9:42am
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I think they moved all at the same time
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its really weird having 17 years (no less) in the middle of your story were you have taurial and legolas that they can travel to Gundabad in a mere one day ride so I think in the movies everything is smaller, cause really, middle earth in the books is HUGE really really huge
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 26 2015, 2:12pm
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So all characters' timelines during the War of the Ring, including Aragorn and Ecthelion's, were changed together with the 17 years change in LOTR? That would explain both Aragorn's age and Ecthelion being stewart during the Quest of Erebor.
The birth-years of most of the characters contemporary to the War of the Ring would be altered by Peter Jackson's changes. The main exceptions would be Frodo's companions Samwise, Merry and Pippin; whose ages need to be altered in the opposite direction because Jackson aged them up for Bilbo's eleventy-first birthday! We should probably assume that Frodo was born a year earlier than in Tolkien's canon so that he is still thirty-three years old (legal adulthood for hobbits of the Shire) when Bilbo departs, leaving Bag End to him.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 26 2015, 2:27pm
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Time and Distance in the Hobbit Movies
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its really weird having 17 years (no less) in the middle of your story were you have taurial and legolas that they can travel to Gundabad in a mere one day ride so I think in the movies everything is smaller, cause really, middle earth in the books is HUGE really really huge
Gandalf's words at the Eaves of Mirkwood go a long way toward indicating that Middle-earth has not been shrunk for Peter Jackson's films:
BILBO: Is there no way around?
GANDALF: Not unless we go 200 miles north. Or twice that distance--south.
And, based on travel times in the films, the distance between the Shire and Rivendell is unaltered. I think that we just have to assume that often more time has passed on screen then we realize. Although, even then I realize that Jackson's times and distances often do not add up. Remember that the company reaches Lake-town much later in the films as it is only a couple of days before Durin's Day instead of roughly a month before it. And I don't think that we can reasonable put the start of winter at the end of September!
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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ThorinsNemesis
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Oct 26 2015, 4:02pm
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It's not like travel is taking less time in the Hobbit movies; probably we do not notice the time because the movies make it seem that it's very short.
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