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The Hobbit novelization
 

DainPig
Mithlond


Nov 7 2015, 4:00pm

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Wouldn't be cool to see a novelization of each film of the hobbit trilogy? It would be like Star Wars novelizations.
One thing cool about movie novels is that you can read the character's mind and what is he thinking. We would have Bilbo's point of view, and then Bard's and Gandalf's etc, etc.

Some time ago I write the chariot scene saw in BOTFA:EE and the entire Bag end party in AUJ, but unfortunaly they are in another language and I can't post them here.

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MedwedtoBeorn
Ossiriand

Nov 7 2015, 4:10pm

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I want the only written version to be Tolkien's. Character exposition for the movie version I would prefer to see in tie-in books that summarize the character's movie arc or particular movements in the story. I think the only full length narrative should be the book by Tolkien himself. IMHO nothing else would truly compare and readers should reach for the real thing when going to the book shelf.


balbo biggins
Nargothrond


Nov 7 2015, 4:33pm

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you want an a book version of the hobbit films which are based on a book?

that is utter madness, and the point where i think fandoms can eat its own tail.


DainPig
Mithlond


Nov 7 2015, 5:15pm

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The Hobbit trilogy is based ina book [In reply to] Can't Post

but it is quite different from the original source.

There's no Radagast in the book, no Dol Guldor, no hot dwarves (the novel would explain their visual), no Azog or Bolg, no Legolas, no barrel chase, no Bard's family, no politics of lake town, no battle of forges, no battle in Dale, no ogres or troll in the battle and no Ravenhill fight.

The novelization would also include the extended edition and deleted scenes. They could even create new scenes. In the novelization f Star Wars The Phantom Menace, the writter made up a prologue for the book.

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(This post was edited by DainPig on Nov 7 2015, 5:23pm)


Fereth
Ossiriand

Nov 7 2015, 5:32pm

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These would be books I would love to read.


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Smaug the iron
Mithlond


Nov 7 2015, 5:36pm

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There's no Radagast in the book, no Dol Guldor, no hot dwarves (the novel would explain their visual), no Azog or Bolg, no Legolas, no barrel chase, no Bard's family, no politics of lake town, no battle of forges, no battle in Dale, no ogres or troll in the battle and no Ravenhill fight.

Bolg is in the book.


Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome


Nov 7 2015, 5:37pm

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Such books already exist... [In reply to] Can't Post

Granted, the books I refer to are a series of children's storybooks at 48 pages apiece.

The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey--The Movie Storybook by Paddy Kempshall

The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug--The Movie Storybook by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt

The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies--The Movie Storybook by Natasha Hughes

I haven't a clue as to how any of these read.



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There's no Radagast in the book, no Dol Guldor, no hot dwarves (the novel would explain their visual), no Azog or Bolg, no Legolas, no barrel chase, no Bard's family, no politics of lake town, no battle of forges, no battle in Dale, no ogres or troll in the battle and no Ravenhill fight.


Not entirely correct. Not only is Bolg a key player in the Battle of Five Armies, but there are certainly political shenanigans going on concerning the Master of Lake-town (just without Alfrid). Also, Radagast and Azog at least get name-checked even though neither of them appear on-stage, so to speak.

"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."


- Dream of the Endless


(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Nov 7 2015, 5:47pm)


LSF
Mithlond

Nov 7 2015, 5:43pm

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I'd read [In reply to] Can't Post

I would read them. With all the differences, it could be justified in being done.


MyWeeLadGimli
Menegroth

Nov 7 2015, 7:27pm

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I actually have the first one [In reply to] Can't Post

It's alright, it cuts out most of the stuff about Azog and Dol Guldur, and so the story is actually closer to the book than the movie is.

On the main topic, I wouldn't want full length novels based on the movies. It would feel disrespectful to the original book.


DainPig
Mithlond


Nov 7 2015, 11:43pm

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Yes, he is. [In reply to] Can't Post

But in the movie Bolg is different. He is Legolas's enemy and commander of Gundabad army. In the book, he is Thorin's enemy and commander of Moria army.

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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome


Nov 8 2015, 12:34am

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Not just Moria... [In reply to] Can't Post


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But in the movie Bolg is different. He is Legolas's enemy and commander of Gundabad army. In the book, he is Thorin's enemy and commander of Moria army.



Remember that Azog, in DoS, sends Bolg against Thorin and Company before he encounters Legolas. And in the book, Bolg leads goblins from all across the Misty Mountains, not just Moria. He is, after-all, called Bolg of the North. He might very well have been based in Gundabad


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Tidings [the goblins] had gathered in secret ways; and in all the mountains there was a forging and an arming. Then they marched and gathered by hill and valley, going ever by tunnel or under dark, until around and beneath the great mountain Gundabad of the North, where was their capital, a vast host was assembled ready to sweep down in time of storm unawares upon the South.



There is no mention at all of Bolg as ruler of the goblins of Moria.

"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."


- Dream of the Endless


(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Nov 8 2015, 12:38am)


QuackingTroll
Doriath


Nov 8 2015, 1:11am

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Bolg isn't Thorin's enemy in the book... [In reply to] Can't Post

The book Bolg is roused after Gandalf kills the Great Goblin. He gathers the goblins of the north and follows Dain's army to Erebor. He holds a grudge against Dain because Dain killed Azog, but he is killed by Bolg.

So he's either Dain's enemy or Bolg's. He really has little interest in Thorin.


Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome


Nov 8 2015, 1:51am

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Did you mean Gandalf? [In reply to] Can't Post


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The book Bolg is roused after Gandalf kills the Great Goblin. He gathers the goblins of the north and follows Dain's army to Erebor. He holds a grudge against Dain because Dain killed Azog, but he is killed by Bolg.

So he's either Dain's enemy or Bolg's. He really has little interest in Thorin.


Bolg is Bolg's enemy? I think that you meant Gandalf's enemy, but that could be extended to all of Thorin's company. But you are right that the slaying of the Great Goblin is what inflamed the Orcs in Tolkien's version. The goblins wouldn't have even known that Dain was coming until well after the death of Smaug.

"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."


- Dream of the Endless


DainPig
Mithlond


Nov 8 2015, 5:53am

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would allow a lot of characterization for the forgotten dwarves, like Nori and Gloin.
Nori is my favorite member of the company, and would love to see more of him in the movie-to-book version, mainly in BOTFA.
This is something I don't like in the third movie: most of the dwarves are completely forgotten, even with the EE.

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(This post was edited by DainPig on Nov 8 2015, 5:57am)


TheHutt
Mithlond


Nov 8 2015, 8:29am

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That's quite a strange question. [In reply to] Can't Post

Of course it wouldn't be cool.

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QuackingTroll
Doriath


Nov 9 2015, 11:37pm

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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome


Nov 10 2015, 12:03am

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I meant Beorn's sorry


Okay. If PJ had followed through with the Beorn/Bolg subplot, that would have worked too.

"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."


- Dream of the Endless

 
 
 

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