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Kerewyn
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Jan 23 2015, 1:53pm
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IIRC, these words come earlier, when Thranduil's messenger brings a summons to Legolas, and discloses that she has been banished. That brings a seed of dissension to Legolas against his father, who decides to stick with Tauriel and not attend the summons.
It moved me, those words 'He does not command my heart.' As I mentioned elsewhere, I read them three ways:
(1) He does not tell me who I can and can’t love.
(2) If my heart tells me to do something, his commands do not over-ride that.
(3) Any love I might have for my father is not uppermost in my heart.
"Then the bells shall ring in gladness at the Mountain King's return... but all shall fail in sadness, and the lake will shine and burn."
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Eruvandi
Dor-Lomin
Jan 23 2015, 6:36pm
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First of all, let me say that your post caught my attention because I asked a similar question as my very first thread when I first joined TORn!
Anyway, I don't think Tauriel was ever supposed to be Legolas' sister. As someone else in the thread said, the character's original name was Itaril and she had a romance in her story too, so it seems like romance was always in the plan. It's been stated by Philippa Boyens that Thranduil's wife died trying to save Legolas from some sort of danger when he was still little, so she didn't die in childbirth and Legolas was apparently her only child. Also, Evangeline Lilly said that Tauriel had her own set of parents who were killed by orcs.
I do agree, though, that the "love triangle" didn't feel very organic. In fact, as many times as both Orlando Bloom and Evangeline Lilly repeated that Leggy and Tauriel had a brotherly/sisterly type relationship, I still feel like it doesn't totally qualify as a real love triangle.
"Your love is like radiant diamonds
Bursting inside us we cannot contain
Your love will surely come find us
Like blazing wild fires singing Your name.
God of mercy sweet love of mine
I have surrendered to Your design
May this offering stretch across the skies
And these Halleluiahs be multiplied"
-"Multiplied" by Needtobreathe
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Eruvandi
Dor-Lomin
Jan 23 2015, 7:22pm
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(1) He does not tell me who I can and can’t love.
(2) If my heart tells me to do something, his commands do not over-ride that.
(3) Any love I might have for my father is not uppermost in my heart. I read it the same way. I also agree that the words came from earlier when the messenger came for Legolas.
When Legolas defended Tauriel, IIRC all he said was something like, "If you kill her, you'll have to kill me as well." Thranduil silently backed down and looked sad, and then Legolas and Tauriel left for Ravenhill together.
"Your love is like radiant diamonds
Bursting inside us we cannot contain
Your love will surely come find us
Like blazing wild fires singing Your name.
God of mercy sweet love of mine
I have surrendered to Your design
May this offering stretch across the skies
And these Halleluiahs be multiplied"
-"Multiplied" by Needtobreathe
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marillaraina
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Jan 23 2015, 8:14pm
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when he defends Tauriel from Thranduil and says he is going with her to Ravenhilll: "You may command me...but you do not command my heart!"
This to me is the biggest indication of where his feeling lie...
I think that can easily, esp. given the context, mean that Thranduil does not command what he feels was right and wrong, I don't think it had to do with romance.
I just realized this could be another Kili and Tauriel parallel(and esp seeing I really do think Leggy and Taur seem more sibling like than romantic IMO). I don't mean the situations are exactly the same but both involve an older "sibling"(or friend) refusing to follow their parental figure(who also happens to be a king) and remaining with a younger, but perhaps more outspoken sibling.
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Michelle Johnston
Mithlond
Jan 23 2015, 8:28pm
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The character element is enigmatic and sorted its the plot that isn't
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I agree with this PJ and Co are always being accused of being obvious and neat with their character arcs.
There is a deliberately enigmatic ending for Tauriel and Thranduil and Legolas, because of his experiences since encountering the Dwarves, wants to move away from the Woodland realm.
What is not enigmatic but vague and inconclusive is the inter racial plot involving his wife's jewels or potential jewels. To give Thranduil a focus for reparation within the hoard of Erebor was a superb idea and in the spirit of Tolkien but it would have been much more powerful if it had been brought to the fore at the right time and in a concise and clear way not to mention its resolution. Yes i would want this in the EE but rather than focus on dragon fire and another ancient war Thranduils wife backstory her death and the jewels could have been much more focused and personal and as much as a driver as The Nauglamir was in the Silmarrillion.
My Dear Bilbo something is the matter with you! you are not the same hobbit that you were.
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