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AshNazg
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Mar 6 2013, 6:18pm
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Rumour has it, the blu-ray has no black bars on top & bottom
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The Hobbit was shot in a way that it could be cropped to fill an IMAX screen. Apparently, because an IMAX screen is almost the same shape as a TV, they've decided to put the IMAX-cropped version on the Blu-Ray (or maybe just the 3D Blu-Ray?) to fill your TV too! If you're wondering what the result might look like. Here's some clips WB have uploaded from the Blu-Ray!
http://youtu.be/5ayH3BtNjNE
Note: This isn't the WRONG aspect ratio, it's just the IMAX version. The film was made to work in both ways.
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Lindele
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Mar 6 2013, 6:28pm
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in the theater it was not in 16x9 and I'd much prefer if it weren't on the Blu-ray either.
I hope this is not true.
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sycorax82
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Mar 6 2013, 6:43pm
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I hope the EE has it in normal 2.35:1 ratio
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I can understand why they would go for 16:9 but, to me, that just makes it even more like a TV episode than it already is!
The LOTR trilogy are in 2.35:1 so...why mess up the flow by having AUJ at 16:9??
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 6 2013, 6:49pm
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I personally think this is a terrible idea,
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and i hope that, if this is true, they go with the 2.35:1 for the EE.
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jimmyfenn
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Mar 6 2013, 6:59pm
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this may be true, but i find it very hard to believe, it would mean having to spend alot of money on post production/3d/animation/grading etc on alot of image that most people would not have seen in the cinema as the widescreen version would have been cropped from the imax/tv one if what you say is true. (unlike a croppped imax version like you state)
and that clip of the troll scene, bilbo and the trolls heads are at the top of the frame, you would have to chop alot of that off to fit back to the wider cinema aspect, which i cant see any room for.
thinking about it, i believe this is false.
btw that troll scene is very cheesy, but lets forget about that ;)
"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Mar 6 2013, 7:07pm
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Chill everyone! The Blu-ray has the CORRECT aspect ratio.
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The following screencaps are from the Blu-ray.
http://forum.blu-ray.com/...30&postcount=505
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence
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jimmyfenn
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Mar 6 2013, 7:10pm
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thought as much, the original post is completely wrong regarding a 'cropped' imax version , youd alway crop from the imax version.
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QuackingTroll
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Mar 6 2013, 7:10pm
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You have it the wrong way round...
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The IMAX/TV version is the cropped one. The widescreen is the full. So the top and bottom have nothing to do with it. It's the sides that get cropped.
It's not hard to believe. The exact same thing happened on the Avatar Blu-Ray and James Cameron said he preferred the cropped version.
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jimmyfenn
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Mar 6 2013, 7:14pm
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nope you are definitely wrong, the widescreen is the crop.
if you watch the dark knight rises blur ray, youll see it on the whole tv for the imax bits and black bars for the 'widescreen' bits.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Mar 6 2013, 7:16pm
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Both versions are "cropped", technically.
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The 16x9 version may have more on the top and bottom, but they also have some picture cropped from the sides as well. Whereas the proper 2.35:1 version has a little less on the top and bottom, but more visual information on the sides.
In any case, 2.35:1 is the proper framing for this film.
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence
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Lindele
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Mar 6 2013, 7:21pm
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for shots that were shot in IMAX. anytime an anamorphic film is shown in 16:9 it is because they cropped off the sides.
Regarding The Hobbit, none of it was shot in IMAX
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QuackingTroll
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Mar 6 2013, 7:22pm
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The Dark Knight was filmed using an IMAX camera, so the IMAX version is the master.
The Hobbit was filmed with REDs in 4K then upscaled and cropped to fit an IMAX screen, just like Avatar. James Cameron said he preferred the Imax's cropped version because it allowed a sense of vertigo. So he used that version on the Blu-ray. (it's actually a version somewhere between the two because TV's and Imax isn't exactly the same shape.
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QuackingTroll
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Mar 6 2013, 7:24pm
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This is good to know... but as OP said it might just be the 3D version? //
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Arandir
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Mar 6 2013, 8:14pm
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I think it also depends on the TV
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on which you're playing the film.
Having a 42"inch widescreen TV will "resize" differently to a 19" screen - hence the visibility of black bars or no will vary accordingly to each setup.
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 6 2013, 8:18pm
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I've never heard of such a thing. The ratio of 16:9 is the same no matter the dimensions, no?
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Nevrast
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Mar 6 2013, 10:00pm
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Okay, but does it have a green tint?
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;-D
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JWPlatt
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Mar 7 2013, 1:03am
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This is somewhat credible if only because on a 3D disk, the effect would be killed somewhat by black bars. There's nothing you can do for the limited size of the screen itself, but filling the entire screen is preferable than not in 3D. This would apply to Avatar as well.
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JWPlatt
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Mar 7 2013, 1:07am
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I'm sure there we be a thorough analysis. But maybe they'll wait for the EE edition to foist it upon us. Sir Peter has yet to personally address the debacle. One still hopes they'll correct it for the Collector's Ultimate Middle Earth Extended Edition in 2015.
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Chopsta123
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Mar 7 2013, 2:18am
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dont think they will remove the black bars by cropping
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as I understand it they will show us the IMAX verion which fills the entire screen. If you can fill the entire screen without cropping the frame, i see no reason to use the letterbox, tbh.
And if all else fails you can always stick two black sheets of cardboard onto your TV to make it look like 2,35:1
;-)
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MouthofSauron
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Mar 7 2013, 5:03am
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Avatar was the same way and i just bought Schinldler's List on bluray and even that one has no black bars on the top and bottom.
take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty, oh will you please take me home!!
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Arandir
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Mar 7 2013, 7:57am
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I remember that when the bulky screens were still in use - the difference with an HD widescreen was quite evident. Watching the same DVD on an old TV (the squarish ones) and a new (HD) one would have affected the size of the black bars.
On the former, it would have been a 2:35:1 ratio, whilst on the latter 1:85:1 ratio .... not really sure how it is affected with BluRay though .... thought it might 
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Rohirrim Rider
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Mar 7 2013, 9:42am
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Schindler's List was filmed in 1.85:1 ratio though
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So there'd be no black bars. Nothing's been cropped, that's just the 'shape' of the original image.
The Hobbit however was filmed in 2.39:1 and so the theatrical image would include black bars (regardless what size 16:9/widescreen TV you have).
Titanic and Avatar both had 1.78:1 ratios for their 3D versions but, then again, Cameron chose all 3D screenings (not just IMAX) of those films to be shown in that aspect ratio as he felt the flat image worked better with 3D. So, in those cases, the blu-ray presentations are faithful to the film's original 3D presentation.
If they use The Hobbit's IMAX ratio for the 3D I could understand as it does feel more immersive with 3D when the whole screen is filled with image, though I can understand that not having the original ratio would be a shame on a purist level. However, having seen the IMAX version a couple of times and the regular version a good few times as well, I can't say any changes in ratio made any difference to my enjoyment of the film.
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MouthofSauron
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Mar 8 2013, 5:35am
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i just read bluray.com's review of AUJ, there's bars. Maybe the extended edition will have the IMAX ratio.
take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty, oh will you please take me home!!
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