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Compa_Mighty
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May 25 2008, 12:48am
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Plot from Film 2
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As I believe it should be called now... (so much for sprequel, I believe!  )
I was thinking today and I think I found something that could be the best of all worlds: the combination of three plots: Aragorn's, Gandalf's and Gollum's.
If we are shown the last bit of Thorongil's story where it establishes the clash with Denethor, and we start with Aragorn and Gandalf meeting and going for Gollum, we could see most of the three stories through flashbacks.
To be clearer, a little of real time story of each of the three characters and then lead up to their common storyline, to be complemented with flashbacks.
Advantages of this: we use Viggo, McKellen and Serkis extensively. We touch the White Council, as well as Aragorn's story, which are the most requested plots by fans. We get 3 characters than can drive the story, in a very coherent and cohesive way. We establish the relationship of Gandalf and Aragorn and their protection of The Shire as a prelude to the Fellowship. We make Gollum's character more tragic. That way, we get organically (because the White Council would most probably be flashbacks, according to timelines) Arwen, Denethor, Thengel, Rohan, Gondor, Mordor, Dol Guldur Barad-Dur, Saruman, Galadriel... they are all in Gandalf's and Aragorn's stories...
This does not sound bad for me, since it would quite follow Return of the King's structure, 3 stories that lead into one.- and it's there! We aren't making up anything! The Shire is bound to make an appearance... and dialogue between Gandalf and Aragorn could be enlightening for Fellowship events.
The ending? Gollum escapes... Gandalf and Aragorn can do nothing further. Gandalf commends Aragorn the vigilance of The Shire, and they both mention how the Shadow is growing.
Hope you like my story, which I believe combines what most of us have spoken about, only using all three plots, and elminating the need for a single one.
Here's to Del Toro becoming the Irvin Kershner of Middle Earth!
Essay winner of the Show us your Hobbit Pride Giveway!
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Ainu Laire
Dor-Lomin
May 25 2008, 4:07am
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Along with all of those characters
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You can easily add in Gandalf visiting Bilbo and maybe Frodo.
Ah, I cannot tell you how much I'd love to see Thorongil in his last fight with the Corsairs in Umbar... what an awesome opening that would make... the ships slowly drifting in in the quiet of the night, and then fire. Would fit the atmosphere that the TTT beginning had.
I am even more eager for these films to come out. Is it 2011 yet? ;)
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FrodoEyes
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May 25 2008, 10:02am
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It was a bit creepy to hear them say that they're just going to focus on one storyline from that time inbetween the Hobbit and LOTR. I could imagine MGM rubbing their hands with glee, thinking about the other storylines they could make into movies. 'Think of the franchise!'
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Ruby-Rose
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May 25 2008, 2:14pm
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the idea of a Aragorn Gandalf, Gollum film 2. I am still a little dubious as to how film 2 will work....but a film with those three as the main characters ....well I think it would work.
I am though a little concerned about a possible Aragorn/Arwen story becoming overly "soppy". With LOTR they didn't have to revert to putting Arwen in a mini skirt to make some romantic scenes between the two of them. The beauty of all three lead women in LOTR shone through and the romance and love of Aragorn and Arwen was beautifully done without them hopping into bed or Eowyn/Galadriel wearing a bikini.
Gandalf is such a wonderful character and there is plenty for them to draw on so as to make film 2 his story aswell. Gollum...wow he is such a powerful character and there is so much more to him than just what happens between him and Frodo. So, yes brilliant idea Compa_Mighty.
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Mirabella_Bunce
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May 25 2008, 2:26pm
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That kind of struck some terror into my heart, too. I could just see Mary Parent simpering with glee about how many more films, action figures, and breakfast cereals she could get out of the story threads they don't use. (Not that she'd know what all is in there, anyway, though!)
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burrahobbit
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May 25 2008, 8:57pm
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I'd like an Aragorn and Gandalf Film 2 but with a different focus
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For me the strongest part of Aragorn's story occurs earlier on when he learns his true identity from Elrond, falls for Arwen at Rivendell, and then departs into the wild to prove his worth. There's lots of potential for good character development beginning with Aragorn as an immature character, uncertain of his identity, anxious to prove himself and gain Arwen's love. We'd have a real journey to reach the Aragorn we know in LotR.
If the story begins after Aragorn's errantries in the South then we've already arrived at the mature Aragorn and I think we might loose the most dramatic parts of the story.
I like the idea of Aragorn and Gandalf's friendship being a key part of the film. Perhaps Gandalf's wisdom could help temper a young and rash Aragorn.
I know GDT seemed keen on using Gollum's story in Film 2. I wonder though if there is a danger this will pre-empt the storyline of the discovery of the One Ring in Fellowship. Does the resolution of the Gollum storyline not have to be his capture and the discovery that he went to Mordor? As soon as we know "Shire! Baggins!" then Gandalf must know that Bilbo's ring is the One Ring, a fact he doesn't know at the start of FotR.
My own view is that the whole Necromancer storyline could be shifted further forward in time so that Aragorn helps Gandalf investigate Dol Guldur. This breaks the timeline but I think it would bring the story threads together nicely.
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burrahobbit
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May 25 2008, 9:16pm
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If Aragorn is the focus of Film 2 then his mother Gilraen could become a strong female character. She's certainly not soppy- with her husband dead, she brings up Aragorn in Rivendell whilst hiding his identity. Could be interesting I think, particularly as maternal characters are almost non-existant in Middle Earth.
The Aragorn/Arwen storyline will need a different angle if it's to be used again. One possibility is that when they first meet Aragorn is unsure of Arwen's feelings for him, and furthermore Elrond thinks Aragorn is unworthy of Arwen. This drives Aragorn to go on his heroic journeys and prove himself worthy.
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Elizabeth
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May 26 2008, 12:18am
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didn't fall in the "60 years" between the events of The Hobbit and FotR, but in the 17 year gap after Bilbo's departure from the Shire. Trying to mash that in with the "Thorongil" adventures in the same movie doesn't just "break" the timeline, it ignores it utterly.
There is some good stuff in the Tale of Years after the Battle of Five Armies, which does include the main encounters between Aragorn & Arwen and the Thorongil period. IMO that's their strongest option.
But there's also enough material for a "franchise" if these two films are successful. I'm not sure if that makes me happy or fearful.
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entmaiden
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May 26 2008, 2:31am
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I think the rights that Tolkien granted are limited
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to the LOTR movies, the Hobbit and one other LOTR-themed movie. So there's no risk of a franchise, fortunately. 
Each cloak was fastened about the neck with a brooch like a green leaf veined with silver.
`Are these magic cloaks?' asked Pippin, looking at them with wonder.
`I do not know what you mean by that,' answered the leader of the Elves.
NARF since 1974.
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ShadoFaxs
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May 26 2008, 4:20am
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Tolkien sold the movie rights to the books The Hobbit and LOTR, so any material covered in those volumes, including the appendices in ROTK, is fair game for films from whomever holds those rights - any number of films.
Tales contained strictly in other volumes is off limits for filming or other public production without permission. That's not likely at this juncture.
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ArathornJax
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May 26 2008, 4:21am
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shared their thoughts on this when speaking of having 5 movies that are (my words) jewels. Thus I only expect to see 5 movies and I am fine with that. I don't want to see a live action movie series like Lucas is doing. Enough is enough. I think JRR Tolkien himself would want fans to move on and become creative with their own works etc as is hinted at in Letter 292.
" . . . (we are ) too engrossed in thinking of everything as a preparation or training or making one fit -- for what? At any minute it is what we are and are doing, not what we plan to be and do that counts."
J.R.R. Tolkien in his 6 October 1940 letter to his son Michael Tolkien.
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LordotRings93
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May 26 2008, 7:44pm
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The plot involves Gandalf and Aragorn too much. Maybe show Frodo's parents drowning in the Brandywine River? And Bilbo adopting Frodo?
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kathyrote
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May 26 2008, 8:24pm
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I'm thinking that Gandalf's departure from the Smaug adventure to deal with the Neocromancer is a great place to 1) show Saruman while he is still "The White" and create some contrast re: who he's become by the time of LOTR . Pretty sure that transformation is something Mr. Lee could do a great job of 2) give us hungry fans a minute or two of all 5 Istari without using up film time to include wizards, where they came from and why 3) establish Sauron and the rings of Power and 4) set the stage for rangers and why they are protecting the shire.
But I'm hoping that somehow, the history of the races of Free People will get woven in, in some way. I've always been intrigued by the tid bits of information in books and films i.e. when Saruman asks his chief Uruk-Hai if he knows where Orcs came from - sad story, that ; all 5 wizards attending the White counsel (we only get an introduction to Radagast in the book, but the others had missions to be of help to the peoples of middle earth; I'm a folklorist, so of course, I'm as interested in that stuff as I am in the variety of races and cultures that brought their music to America.
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AlatarVinyamar
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May 26 2008, 10:40pm
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Alatar and Pallando weren't members of the White Council. They passed into the east.
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SeanDuff
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May 26 2008, 11:58pm
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Everything that we've been speculating..
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seems like it would be bits from the extended DVD to tie H and LOTR together... I can't see there being enough continuous story to warrant a whole film or use the multitude of material it would seem very scattershot.
There is some really great stuff in the FAN ART forum!!!!
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Telperion313
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May 28 2008, 10:11pm
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Yeah, I think you pretty much got it right. I agree that F2 should focus on G-dalf, A-gorn, and G-lum. Here are my thoughts on the structure:
Open on Gandalf in Dol Guldur, sneaking around. He runs into Thrain, who gives him the map. A simple shot of this map will make it clear to anyone who's viewed the Hobbit just what is going on here, and that this scene takes place before the events of the Hobbit.
We see what Gandalf did during the events of The Hobbit, speaking to the White Council, and the attack on Dol Guldur. Fade to...
Gandalf sitting with Elrond in Rivendell, during their return journey after the battle of the five armies. They discuss they discuss that event, as well as the different possibilities concerning Sauron. Gilraen comes in, carrying a young Aragorn in her arms. She tells them that her husband has been killed, and Elrond agrees to foster the boy, but insists they call him Estel. Gandalf looks down at the baby...
TITLE: The Wizard and the King (OR The Pilgrim and the King, OR The Strider and the King)
Interweave the stories of Aragorn, Gandalf, and Gollum in the years 60 years leading up to Lotr. This will focus mostly on Aragorn. Key moments being the battles in Rohan and Gondor, two meetings with Arwen, and the last time he sees his mother.
We see Gandalf arrive at Bag End before Bilbo's party. Cut to Bilbo's strange behavior after the party, and Gandalf rushing out later that night. Gandalf and Aragorn search for Gollum, Gandalf researches the ring. Aragorn finds Gollum. He takes Gollum to Mirkwood, and Gandalf speaks to him there.
Finale: Aragorn goes to Rivendell and sees Arwen and Elrond on his way back from Mirkwood. This sets the tone for the unique triangle between these three characters. Aragorn contemplates his fate while keeping an eye on the shire. Gollum escapes from the elves of Mirkwood. Finally, Gandalf shows up on Frodo's doorstep, to warn him about the ring that he posesses. THE END.
Hey, I kinda just came up with all that stuff on the fly... not bad. I think there's a nice subtle ending there that sets up an uneasy mood, and all of the characters kind of blend in to the Lotr films. The main problem is that the necromancer battle is at the beginning, when it would make more sense as a major climax. That's why I don't think they'll do it this way. They'll probably focus purely on what Gandalf does during the Hobbit, so that the necromancer fight can be the climax. Still, I kind of like my setup. If I have time, I might even write out a full script for it. Let me know what you think...
(This post was edited by Telperion313 on May 28 2008, 10:16pm)
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tedster88
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May 31 2008, 5:04pm
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F2 Going to focus around Aragorn!
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Film two is going to focus aroung aragorn. Jackson and Del Toro want Mortensen back as leading man and Aragorn had a lot of stuff happen to him between the hobbit and FOTR!
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