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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Oct 21 2014, 7:46pm
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So it's "official": the Dwarf Ring stuff is an EE feature?
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Chronological:
DOS EE:
In Bree Gandalf asks Thorin about his grandfathers Ring of Power and Thorin tells him that Thror gave it to Thrain before the battle. Gandalf realises "Thrain was wearing it when he... he went missing?"
AUJ EE:
Gandalf tells the White Council that the last Dwarf Ring of Power went missing with its bearer. Before that he mentioned that Sauron was able to collect two while the other four were destroyed by dragon fire. And he asks if it doesn't worry Saruman that the last Dwarf Ring did disappear.
DOS EE:
When Gandalf finds Thrain in Dol Guldur he realises that his ringfinger is missing and in a flashback it is implied that Azog cut it off.
Since this Dwarf Ring stuff is complete EE material I believe we already have an extended scene for the BOTFA EE: The White Council discovers Thrains Ring in Dol Guldur after defeating the Necromancer. That would finish the Ring subplot right? Perhaps even Saruman taking it "for studying" to Isengard?
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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caglarkuraner
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Oct 21 2014, 7:51pm
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Where can I find english subtitles?
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NecromancerRising
Hithlum
Oct 21 2014, 8:22pm
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establishes and is forgotten by everyone so far(including me) is the connection/collaboration of Sauron with Smaug .That is why Smaug knows..."Oakenshield"
"You cannot find peace by avoiding life"
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NecromancerRising
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Oct 21 2014, 8:29pm
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If you do not find them,it's probably too early
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NecromancerRising
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Oct 21 2014, 8:31pm
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Very interesting thoughts Lieutenant.
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I too believe that the Ring subplot will wrap up in the BOFA EE.
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NoelGallagher
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Oct 21 2014, 8:31pm
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why they didnt manage to get the first shot of Gandalf entering Dol Guldur (blue lighted)which seems to be already from the first AUJ Trailer and the following right ?
What comes afterwards, has a totally different colour grading
looks like lazy editing...
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NecromancerRising
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Oct 21 2014, 8:35pm
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I seldom do during my first viewings to be honest
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Oct 21 2014, 8:49pm
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Perhaps there is another connection to the Necromancer
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Perhaps it is explained that thanks to Thrains Dwarf Ring Sauron was able to take at least some sort of form without the help of the One Ring. This would clear up the "he can't take physical form yet" line from FOTR.
In the AUJ EE Saruman is certain that the Dwarf Rings are "no value to the enemy" until he has the One. But what if that's not true? What if those lesser Rings of Power give Sauron enough strenght to take the form he has in AUJ and DOS? In the end Sauron did collect all of the Nine and three of the SEVEN. That makes twelve Rings of Power... I mean that's something, right? Even if Tolkien never wrote about it... why should Sauron collect all these rings if there's no use for them?
I think there's a connection between the Rings and Saurons return.
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Oct 21 2014, 9:29pm
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How? I must have missed that...
EDIT: I already know. Obviously I overheard the "They're in league... the dragon and the One" line.
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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Spriggan
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Oct 21 2014, 9:33pm
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About not being able to take physical form is more easily interpreted as not having a body. I don't think misty-wispy counts.
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NoelGallagher
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Oct 21 2014, 9:35pm
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How? I must have missed that...
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NecromancerRising
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Oct 21 2014, 9:38pm
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Thrain/Gandalf scenes again and you will see that Thrain informs Gandalf that the Necromancer and Smaug are in league. and that they are both waiting for Thorin to enter the mountain
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Oct 21 2014, 9:43pm
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Interesting. Perhaps that's why Sauron ordered Azog to stay in Dol Guldur instead of hunting down Thorin?
But why do Sauron and Smaug want Thorin to enter the mountain? Did Sauron expect a war like the Battle of Five Armies as a result? Or did he simply hope that Smaug would kill Thorin?
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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NecromancerRising
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Oct 21 2014, 9:50pm
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was expecting a war to happen since he informed Azog about it in their encounter at the start of DOS.As for Thorin's fate,i believe we will find out the true intentions of Sauron in the next movie.
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Oct 21 2014, 10:12pm
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... perhaps Sauron even knew about the dragon sickness of the line of Durin since Smaug does know about it and hoped that Thorin will bring his neighbours (Men and Elves) up against him and Saurons enemies killing each other without any intervention of the Orc army itself... which btw would have worked if Gandalf didn't show up... and ironically the Orc army. Or he wanted all armies of his enemies to reach Erebor so he could... to quote Grand Moff Tarkin from Star Wars: "crush the rebellion with one swift stroke". In the end BOTFA is titled with "the defining chapter".
We know for sure that Sauron wanted Erebor as another of his strongholds and breeding place for his Orc army in the North just like he did with the former Dwarven kingdoms of Moria and Mount Gundabad.
In the end I can understand Saurons intentions and also why Azog did serve him as a commander of legions but what is Smaugs part in this? Why did he agree on this deal? What did Sauron promises him?
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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Avandel
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Oct 21 2014, 10:17pm
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Just more random EE love *snert* like falling stars
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I gotta go watch it again to make thoughtful, rational, detailed commentary and I am still tired from staying up LOL (and what is that I-tune stuff where I have to stream the appendices so I may just wait for the discs...  ) but:
1) I know that Mikael Persbrandt spent time with wolves in preparing for this part, so in the opening of the Beorn scene it was fascinating to see his tense movements and general ferocity. The dwarves in this scene are adorable, and what really struck me is I love when Gandalf does his "little old innocuous man" routine *twinkles* - this is a master actor. And loved Thorin when he steps forward re the intro - #Majesty even if he has just heard about Beorn tearing folks apart. And I loved the interchange between Gandalf and Beorn - ....."and what does Gandalf the Grey say?" I would have bought the EE for these scenes alone - and these guys are all SO GOOD it's just criminal we are not seeing more dwarves AAAAAGGGGHHH!!!!!
2) My beloved stag scene - albeit brief but as another poster commented, beautifully, beautifully rendered. Now I understand why RA liked that scene, because it was fascinating that Thorin was not what I thought, in that the PR image of him with a bow just looked fierce - but the reality in the scene is he's defiant, if you will, but also disturbed and awed - love how RA can show a complex emotional state and LOL "we make our own luck" and then Bombur zzzzzzzzzz. That stag was hauntingly beautiful......
And Mirkwood in general I thought was a lot more disturbing, the dwarves and Bilbo are in more distress - it's creepy!
3) The High Fells - that was suitably dark, grim-faced men burying something terrible - happy they had that.
4) How I love the extended Laketown arrival - let me count the ways - so enjoyed the dwarves scurrying off and bashing some guards, and the townspeople joining in to cover for them against "the Man" LOL!!!! And Luke Evans is just so *bleep* funny.
(I can't stand that there isn't going to be more and more of all this *sob*) - Anyway
5) The Master and Alfrid - these guys are just SO good. Ryan Gage's Alfrid was fascinating here - so much more than a toady - he's viciously clever and LOL on some level I think he thinks the Master is this loser LOL - it's hysterical but Stephen Hunter is no less so.
Bullocks! And OMG the Master snarfing down - I thought troll goo was bad, but those long rubbery strands OMG ROFLOL!!!!!
There's more - Thorin and Thrain, Thrain and Gandalf, I need to watch again to make detailed comments - but the richness of this EE. I have some minor quibbles, the main of course being longing for MORE - Dale, and Thranduil - but for now I am just feeling grateful and want to watch again *drool*. Thrain breaks my heart, Thorin and Thrain break my heart. Also, it was nice to see - as had been speculated on TORn - why no-one would help the dwarves (but in my fantasy world Thorin comes back as King and deals with the Master etc. which would be amusing  )
And I can't believe they CUT this stuff in the first place - it's that good IMO.. I just want MORE - DOS part #2 and they can put BOFA off some more.
Hó , Það sé ég föður minn
Hó , Það sé ég móður mína, og Hó, Það sé ég bræður mínir og systur mínar
Hó , Það sé ég mitt fólk aftur í byrjun
Hó, gera Þeir kalla til mín, og bjóða mér að taka minn stað meðal þeirra í sölum Valhallar
Hvar hugrakkir mun lifa að eilífu
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Bernhardina
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Oct 21 2014, 10:36pm
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I thought the extended scenes made the movie better overall. They did great things for characters like Beorn, Bard, Thorin - and even Gandalf! Ian McKellen got so many scenes in which he could show just how an amazing actor he is (duh, we knew that already, but I think the extended scenes really gave him opportunities to shine!).
My favourite scenes were those with Thrain. The wilhelm-scream at his death-scene though... I have a BIG problem with that decision, but I guess I will have to live with it.
I also liked some smaller moments with Bilbo and Thorin, in Mirkwood with the stag-scene and in Laketown during the "speech in front of the people" scene (don't know what else to call it...) I think focusing on their friendship will pay off in the last movie.
With that said, Bilbo is sort of pushed aside in the extended edition. It doesn't feel like it is his story anymore, with so much focus on the storylines of Gandalf, Bard and Thorin. That's the only thing I thought the EE took away from the TE. Otherwise, in story and character, the Desolation of Smaug is much improved by this edition.
Am I the only one who felt that the EE did feel like a prequel to the LOTR, while the TE did not? The flashback of men burying Angmar and the scenes with Thrain and Gandalf especially gave me that familiar Middle Earth feeling 
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DuBekar
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Oct 21 2014, 11:03pm
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The last scene with Thrain, damn i cried. "Tell Thorin that i love him, will you do that? Will you tell my son that i love him?" Them feels :(
But the best EE-scene where the new Beorn ones :) Almost exactly from the book (The introduction)
" Why, O people of Noldor! Fëanor cried. Why should we longer serve the jealous Valar, who cannot keep us nor even their own realm secure from their enemy? And though he be now their foe, are not they and he of one kin? Vengence calls me hence, but even were it otherwise I would not dwell longer in the same land with the kin of my father's slayer and of the thief of treasure. Yet i am not the only valiant in this valiant people. And have ye not all lost your King? And what else have ye not lost, cooped here in a narrow land between the mountains and the sea? Here once was light, that the Valar begrudged to middle-earth, but now dark levels all. Shall we mourn here deedless forever, a shadow-folk, mist-haunting, dropping vain tears in the thankless sea? Or shall we return to our home? In cuiviènen sweet ran the waters under uncloaded stars, and wide lands lay about, where a free people might walk. There they lie still and await us who in out folly forsook them. Come away! Let the cowards keep this city!"
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Avandel
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Oct 21 2014, 11:12pm
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I remember RA talking about so much that was left out in an interview re the TE, and while he is never less than classy it seemed that he was, well, wishing we could see these things. Now I know why.
Hó , Það sé ég föður minn
Hó , Það sé ég móður mína, og Hó, Það sé ég bræður mínir og systur mínar
Hó , Það sé ég mitt fólk aftur í byrjun
Hó, gera Þeir kalla til mín, og bjóða mér að taka minn stað meðal þeirra í sölum Valhallar
Hvar hugrakkir mun lifa að eilífu
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davidjUK
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Oct 21 2014, 11:43pm
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"Tell Thorin that I love him...."
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The last scene with Thrain, damn i cried. "Tell Thorin that i love him, will you do that? Will you tell my son that i love him?" Them feels :(
But the best EE-scene where the new Beorn ones :) Almost exactly from the book (The introduction)
Have to agree on the last scene with Thrain when he asks Gandalf to tell Thorin that he loves his son. A nice little set up for BOFA, although I expect the scene where Gandalf tells Thorin what Thrain said will be left until the Extended Edition, or casual viewers who haven't seen this Extended Edition will be very confused.
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gkgyver
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Oct 22 2014, 12:32am
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Are the appendices part of the digital download?
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Just a quick question: are the appendices part of the download?
Wouldn't make much sense to me to spend money on a digital download if it doesn't feature the extras of the physical DVD.
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Joe20
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Oct 22 2014, 12:36am
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but you don't download them. They are hosted on the itunes store and you get access to them and can stream them. So they requires an internet connection to be viewed.
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gkgyver
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Oct 22 2014, 12:43am
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... but it's useless to me anyway because the German itunes doesn't even list the EE. I thought October 21st was a worldwide release date?
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