|
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
irasel
Lindon
Dec 27 2012, 12:03am
Post #1 of 13
(3242 views)
Shortcut
|
|
Hunter orcs riding in broad daylight without any concern?
|
Can't Post
|
|
I thought only the Uruk-hai were able to do so. Are the movie orcs of some other sun-resistant kind? That would make Uruk-hai not that special...
|
|
|
Ataahua
Forum Admin
/ Moderator
Dec 27 2012, 12:07am
Post #2 of 13
(2492 views)
Shortcut
|
I hadn't twigged to that while watching the film.
In FOTR the Fellowship escaped Moria into the sunshine; however in TTT the Orcs that held Osgiliath opened fire on Faramir's charging cavalry in the daylight (and of course the Pelennor Fields were darn bright during ROTK). I think this is one aspect of Tolkien's lore that the scriptwriters haven't stuck to in any of the films.
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
Ataahua's stories
|
|
|
Ardamírë
Doriath
Dec 27 2012, 12:08am
Post #3 of 13
(2566 views)
Shortcut
|
|
Except for Gandalf's line in FOTR
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
"Orcs that can move in sunlight and cover great distance at need."
Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima! Hail Eärendil, brightest of stars!
|
|
|
carrioncrow
Menegroth
Dec 27 2012, 12:11am
Post #4 of 13
(2447 views)
Shortcut
|
we've heard rumblings there will be bats at the Bo5A. The reason for the bats is to blot out the sun. Maybe they are going to use differentiate orcs from goblins. Its all a little cloudy.
|
|
|
Mooseboy018
Hithlum
Dec 27 2012, 12:21am
Post #5 of 13
(2443 views)
Shortcut
|
I think it might just be a little less of a big deal for them because the wargs are basically doing all the work.
But that's definitely a detail that isn't very consistent or clear in the movies.
|
|
|
ForestPark
Ossiriand
Dec 27 2012, 12:26am
Post #6 of 13
(2388 views)
Shortcut
|
That's why that one orc was so white.
(This post was edited by ForestPark on Dec 27 2012, 12:27am)
|
|
|
Aragalen the Green
Mithlond
Dec 27 2012, 12:33am
Post #7 of 13
(2419 views)
Shortcut
|
|
I remember the Misty Mountain goblins specifically
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
did not like sunlight, notably when Merry and Pippin are captured (The Two Towers) and the MM orcs want to rest for the day. I think it is also mentioned in The Hobbit.
But I do not remember if it is mentioned anywhere else, or applies to other orcs?
" Well well!", said a voice. "Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!"
"Most astonishing wonderful!"
|
|
|
irasel
Lindon
Dec 27 2012, 12:38am
Post #8 of 13
(2360 views)
Shortcut
|
|
In Gondor the sunlight was more or less covered by Sauron's broil of fume.
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
Gandalf tells Pippin that it is a device to ease the orcs passage to war. In The Hobbit movie a radiant sun shines during the hunter orcs attack.
|
|
|
stoutfiles
Nargothrond
Dec 27 2012, 12:48am
Post #9 of 13
(2360 views)
Shortcut
|
They hate sunlight like I hate freezing cold weather. It doesn't kill them, but it is extremely uncomfortable. I suppose a bit of uncomfortable sun is better than being killed by Azog for failing to capture the party.
That said, the movie should have better shown that the sun affects them negatively.
|
|
|
Elthir
Hithlum
Dec 27 2012, 2:19am
Post #10 of 13
(2358 views)
Shortcut
|
I thought only the Uruk-hai were able to do so. Are the movie orcs of some other sun-resistant kind? That would make Uruk-hai not that special...
In the books we have goblins who have trouble in the Sun and others who do not. And even in the books the Mordorians rull notably well under the Sun alongside Saruman's Uruk-hai [chaper The Uruk-hai] despite that Saruman's lads make the bigger deal about how good they are at this.
And I note the book (my emphasis): 'Go on running,' said Uglúk. 'What do you think? Sit on the (...) What's the use of sending out mountain-maggots on a trip, only half trained. Run, curse you...'
So if one accounts for training, perhaps that can explain things -- that is: all goblins hate the Sun, so why not blot it out, with clouds or whathaveyou, if you are a Dark Lord.
But if you can't, there are still goblins who can fight and run well enough under the Sun.
|
|
|
Fredeghar Wayfarer
Menegroth
Dec 27 2012, 7:21am
Post #11 of 13
(2185 views)
Shortcut
|
Sunlight was not deadly to orcs the way it was to trolls. They hated and feared it but could be trained to move about in daylight if they needed to. They likely feared the Dark Lord and the whips of their commanders more than they did the sun.
As for the Uruk-hai, they had no fear of the sun but that wasn't their only distinguishing trait. They were also taller, stronger, more Man-like, and better warriors than other breeds of orcs. So other orcs being able to move in sunlight doesn't make them superfluous.
|
|
|
MouthofSauron
Dor-Lomin
Dec 28 2012, 5:34am
Post #13 of 13
(2071 views)
Shortcut
|
in the LOTR's films they say goblins cannot travel in daylight, after Moria Aragorn states that but they never say orcs cannot. In TTT the uruk-hai hook up with orcs while on the run, and also the skirmish between the wargs and Theodon. i forgot his name but the head elf in FOTR tells Aragorn that "orcs seldom are seen in sunlight". So it seems if they have to they can but they would rather not.
take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty, oh will you please take me home!!
|
|
|
|
|
