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durfalas
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Jun 11 2008, 7:14am
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Quoting Calisuri (1December 2007):
 What?! Yea - that's what we said. A website called MarketSaw is reporting that Peter Jackson is confirmed to be directing two films based on 'The Hobbit' and both will be presented in 3D format. Then, after The Hobbit films are released (2010,2011 respectively), the original trilogy will be converted to 3D after the release of the two Hobbit Films. Let's not get too excited quite yet. If we judge this website based on the amount of junk advertising, we can pretty much write this off as an unconfirmed pipe-dream. But, ya never know! On a personal note, the PJ directing The Hobbit sounds great to me...the 3D, not so much. Check out the full story over at MarketSaw. [PJ Directing Hobbit Rumor]
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Is this still right? I`m pretty sure they`ve recently confirmed on Weta Chat that it would be 2D and there are no plans on converting LOTR into 3D. Anyone knows anything about it?
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo
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Jun 11 2008, 10:07am
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Guillermo said that he was going to use the same format to film The Hobbit that PJ used for LOTR. And there was no indication that they planned to do anything with 3D at all, so I'd say that rumor is deceased. It is an ex-rumor! 
You'll find that most rumors and media hype *coughJackBlackcough* over the course of the next couple years will not come to anything, but TORN will report them all and we'll dissect them all in detail. Take everything except that which comes direct from Guillermo or PJ with a grain of salt (or two or three). And they won't tell us everything, so there will always be plenty to speculate about.
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Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you." -On Fairy Stories
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Rosie-with-the-ribbons
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Jun 11 2008, 7:59pm
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Hi, I've got a question concerning the 3D, and since you are starting this thread, maybe you can help me.
When I think of 3D, I think of Disneyland and watching "Honey, I shrunk the audience" with those silly glasses on.
Is this what the 3D will be like? Because if that is, I don't see why everybody is so excited about it. I don't see myself sitting at home for 3 hours with such stupid glasses on, watching a movie.
But it might well be that I have got a completely wrong idea about it and maybe it is something totally different.
Thanks in advance for helping me.
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Lunamoth
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Jun 11 2008, 9:00pm
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They re-did Nightmare Before Christmas as 3D and it played in the theatres recently here. I had to wear these glasses that looked like sunglasses, sort of. As I must were eyeglasses (no contacts for me) I had to put them over my eyeglasses, which was awkward. And by the end, I had a headache and the real world looked all fuzzy. I found the experience unpleasant.
If the movie isn't initially filmed as a 3D picture, I don't think it comes out as well to retrofit it like that later.
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durfalas
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Jun 11 2008, 9:09pm
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... that`s an interesting question. I managed to find some info about it on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostereoscopic
Check it out, it` really cool. Looks like you don`t need any glasses nor dual cameras while filming.
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo
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ryan1976
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Jun 12 2008, 2:22am
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Personally I hope they stay away from 3D for the Hobbit and film 2. For one thing I think it is too gimky and a tactic just to get people to come to the theater. I think making these movies in 3D will take away a lot of the elegance and timelessness of these films and stories. It doesn't seem like The Hobbit in 3D could be viewed as the "definitive" version, just a 3D version...like the '77 version was the animated one. Also, PJ and GDT mentioned the idea of these films being part of a "symphony" along with LOTR. I would think that making 2 parts of a 5 part series visually different in that kind of way would be a mistake. Also, during the chat, GDT mentioned that there were "no plans" for 3D.
Speilberg and some other directors have talked up 3D for years and how that it was the next-big-thing. Speilberg seems to be moving to perfecting technology that would create a 3D movie/theater experience that would not require glasses. I've seen several of the "newer" 3D films like Nightmare Before Christmas and Beowulf...and I found the format to be fairly unimpressive and distracting...plus wearing those glasses gets to be rather annoying (I can't imagine wearing a pair of those things for close to 3 hours). Sure, Beowulf looked neat, but just neat, the 3D wasn't something that truly moved me one way or the other for that matter. I wasn't blown away by the 3D effects. And I flat out disliked any of the 3D "gags".
So yeah, I'm really hoping that the 3D is an old, rotting, forgotten rumor.
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durfalas
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Jun 12 2008, 7:06am
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... I think you`re quite right. I mean, if the two new films are to be linked so closely to LOTR it wouldn`t really make sense to film them in such a different way. But what`s more important , those 3d effects would probably sort of overwhelm the story itself and wouldn`t let you concentrate on the plot, don`t you think? I was just wondering if there were any big productions made in 3d apart from Beowulf and what the audience reactions were.
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Marionette
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Jun 12 2008, 3:59pm
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3D or Imax anywayz I will not see it.
I donīt think we will have Imax theaters in 2011 XD
And none of the actual movies that has 3D technology are showed 3D here, so.
But I like 3D, have seen some 3D stuff in the past, and some of them were showed here.
I wonder why at least the 3D technology is not showed 3D here anymore.
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Anorien
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Jun 13 2008, 12:05am
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PJ directing, cool. 3D, is that like what they did with the movie Beowulf? I heard the same thing somewhere else, but I don't remember where. The whole idea of 3D just sounds wrong. You lose so much texture and depth and you can't focus on anything else but the way they did it. I hope they just do it the same way they did Lord of the Rings. It makes more sense, to me atleast.
It sounds a little wierd, I don't think that people who were this dedicated to LOTR would do something like this.
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mwirkk
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Jun 13 2008, 1:03am
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No, not like the most recent Beowulf...
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...that was just plain motion-capture computer animation. And nowhere near replacing real imagery yet. I was really disappointed in it -- the technology employed. The adaptation itself, too, but that's a whole other topic...
Check out the wiki link on autosereoscpoe that durfalas provides above as your starting point.
PJ's not directing either -- he's Exec.Producer and screenwriter. The source quote's old.
The Black Knight Always Triumphs!!
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durfalas
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Jun 13 2008, 7:27pm
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... adaptation too? It`s so hopeless,istn`t it? Seemed so ... artificial to me, even in comparison to the earliest motion capture sequences with Gollum in ROTK!
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Patty
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Jun 14 2008, 5:54pm
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I think Journey to the Center of the Earth, coming out this summer...
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has the potential to change people's minds about 3D.
Even as recently as Shark Boy and Lava Girl, those blue- on- one -side, red- on- the- other glasses were being used, and the whole experience was pretty bad, as it always had been.
But at least as early as Monster House, things have changed dramatically. And Meet the Robinsons. Even though these are both animated, the new 3D glasses and technology is very thrilling. The leaves falling from the trees in Monster House seemed very "reach out and touch". I'm a person with "lazy eye"..and occasionally one eye used to wander, resulting in one side being fuzzy. This isn't happening with the new 3D technology. The picture and immersive experience is awesome.
But I'm looking to Journey to the Center of the Earth to show me what this will be like with live action. Much can be done with computers that doesn't look the same with live action, as our "The Hobbit" movies will be. If "Journey" comes across as non fuzzy and immersive as the animated shows I'd be very excited to see "The Hobbit" done this way, and LotR retroteched to be watched this way. And for those who don't want to see 3D, or who live in an area where the theaters are not equipped for this experience the 3D movies released so far are always showing elsewhere in 2D.
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Toru771
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Jun 15 2008, 1:47am
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I agree . . . I personally don't really have a stake in the debate over whether or not the Hobbit films "should" or "shouldn't" be done in 3-D. If they are, cool -- there's a theatre in Hawaii that often does 3-D movies, so I may see it there. If not, no biggie; it won't lessen my opinion of the film. But I do agree that Monster House was an excellent example of a 3-D film done right. I also enjoyed the 3-D version of Nightmare Before Christmas, but more for the nostalgia value than anything else; I hadn't seen the film in years, so it was great to revisit it on the big screen. I hadn't actually heard about the Journey to the Center of the Earth film, but after looking on the web for info, I think you may be right.
But yes, if the Hobbit movies do end up being done in 3-D, I'll be in full support. If not, I'll still be in full support -- either way, we're getting our films at last. Besides, as Patty said, if they are done in 3-D, they'll likely also be released in the "usual" format as well. So those who really don't like 3-D (or would rather not pay extra for the glasses) can still see the films in the traditional fashion.
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ryan1976
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Jun 16 2008, 3:08am
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Some good points are made about 3D. And I'm not saying that I'm totally against the format, I'm well aware of the new technologies and innovations being developed for the format, I just think there is a long way to go before it moves beyond gimky eye-candy/way to get people to come to the theaters.
In regards to these movies..I think if the idea is to, as GDT put it, for the movies to evolve and seamlessly go into Fellowship and to tonally belong to a symphony containing all five films, then making these two 3D would be something that took away form that. To me, the LOTR films are MUCH more than eye-candy and pretty effects. There is just a level of 3D being more like a "Disney World ride", instead of a quality, timeless film.
Of course, these are just my opinions of it.
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