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Glaurung63
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I just saw Hellboy for the first time, bought the special edition dvd. I am amazed at the shared sensibilities of PJ and GDT, especially concerning creatures, but also in the narration of the story, camera angles, dialogue (think Hellboy and Gimli), set design, and storytelling abilities...I am certain now that these two are kindred spirits in movie making and believe that The Hobbit will be a mind blowing adventure!
Even the Hellboy dvd felt right when comparing to LOTR dvds....I think PJ made the absolute right choice in GDT, and I can only hope the Tolkien estate relents and the movie gets made....I will call Christopher T. myself and plead the case, just give me his number!!
I can't wait to see Beorn, goblins, spiders, trolls, eagles, Gollum, elves, Bard, Thorin, Bombur, and Smaug......
This will rock...
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Jun 15 2008, 2:47am
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I intend on soon doing the same.
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as soon as I am finished on a couple other things. (Finishing Lovecraft, Ashton, and a few others. I'm deep in a Lovecraft compendium now...just finishing "At The Mountains Of Madness"....OH BOY....and among other things .I did not know Hyperborea wasn't just Robert Howard's mythos!
I am very famiilar with the HB graphic novels though. I am well aware that GDT took liberties with some major story elements. For example, in the comics, Liz and HB are NOT in love; instead, Liz a much more haunted character and HB has a jarring experience in a romance/relationship with an archeologist that changes him profoundly.
*Rubs eyes* I am pulling some late nights! This stuff is INCREDIBLE and now I can see some of the cinematic roots of both Del Toro's and PJ's dark ethos. Though Del Toro I think is darker, as he had absorbed it all pure and unalloyed, from the fiction itself; whereas PJ had viewed it more through the slightly distorting prism of cinema first...or only that.
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As for CT and the Estate, don't worry too much. As Voronwë explained in the thread just below this one (Clearing up misconceptions ...), it's rather unlikely the TE can prevent the Hobbit from being made.
I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.
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Everything I could get my hands on.
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Yeah, I'm with ya there!
When it emerged that GdT was the frontrunner for the job (the surprise of which, infact, to me anyway, is what inspired me to finally sign up for membership on TORn after just lurking for years:) I went about collecting every movie and special-edition DVD of his I could get my hands on. Up to that point all I knew of him was seeing HB and PL in the theatres. It was watching his comments about film making in these extra materials that really won me over!
For me there are some parallels between this and the experience I had of becoming a PJ believer before the release of FotR. I had seen the Frighteners, and liked it -- but to me then it was just a "Michael J. Fox movie" and I really didn't mind much who created or directed it. So when I found out that the LotR was going to be entrusted to a realtively unknown "horror" director, I was in shock. But eventually, as I heard stories and rumours about how the project came about I learned to trust that it might actually turn out alright afterall. I have to give a majority of credit for that to TORn, because it was my discovering it and their coverage of PJ's progress that was most instrumental in my personal evolution in that respect. :) I have since collected everything of PJ's work I could get my hands on too, of course.
Btw- Nice nick. :)
The Black Knight Always Triumphs!!
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I've watched Hellboy LOTS of times
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but I have to admit the last few have been viewed with a lot more scrutiny, focus on scene development and layout, etc. You're right! Peter and GdT are so similar in their sensibilities, eye, seriousness and comedy... I think this is a perfect union! Yeah... I can't WAIT to see The Hobbit and Film2, but I'm also itching to see Hellboy II just as a fan of THAT franchise :D
"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."
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watch Hellboy for such a long time, just so I can get a sense of GDT's work, but I just can't seem to find the time! ARRGGHH! now that summer's here I've GOT to watch it...
"O Elbereth! Gilthoniel!
We still remember, we who dwell
In this far land beneath the trees,
Thy starlight on the Western Seas."
"It was Sam's first view of a battle of Men against Men,and he did not like it much. He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man's name was and where he was from; and if he was really evil of heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would not really rather have stayed there in peace..."
"Many folk like to know beforehand what is to be set on the table; but those who have laboured to prepare the feast like to keep their secret; for wonder makes the words of praise louder."
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Jun 16 2008, 12:17am
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And "El Laberinto del Fauno" that shows very clear now how The Hobbit can be. And I really hope so becoz I love "El Laberinto del Fauno".
Maybe it will not be like "El Laberinto", exactly, course not, but anywayz "El Laberinto" is the same style and probably it was the movie that convinced people Guillermo is the right director for The Hobbit.
"Dear friend good bye, no tears in my eyes. So sad it ends, as it began"
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Jun 16 2008, 4:13am
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Movie Hellboy is comic book Hellboy
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Guillermo didn't lend Hellboy his sarcastic, ironic, smart one liners, Mike Mignola did.
I sure am excited for HB2 though.
I have no choice but to believe in free will.
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The cake is a lie
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Sunflower
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Jun 16 2008, 7:38am
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"Somebody needs a Milk Bone."
My favorite line so far. And I REFUSE to explain it. You have to read "Hellboy: The Bones of GIants" to get it.
I've been hanging out a bit at DelToroFilms recently (great site BTW, and they have a Hobbit section set up too) and I've plugged TORN over there.
Hellmistress's Doug Jones area on that site is great too.I have to admit, I am becoming more intruiged by Mr. Jones every week.(He plays Abe Sapien, and of course Pan and The Pale Man in PL.) You can't help but love a guy who just loves to hug people, fans especially, and signs nearly all his email with the words "THERE'S LOVE!" or the equivalant thereof. As GDT will most likely give him a role of some sort in TH, we may as well get to know him, and HM's site is a good place to start.
FYI, Mr. Jones has already been to NZ. He visited Wellington last year for something that the Jones fans called "Wellycon" (?) and he's already got quite a fan following over there.
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Hey Gramma...You know for minute there I read this as:
"Barney Snow was here." ~Hung like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."
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I just listened to the commentary
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with GdT and Mignola. BOY was the mood a lot different listening to those two having way too much fun with Hellboy I. It really gave me more insight of how GdT approaches his characters and scenes. It also shows his delightful sense of play. Almost a contrast to Pan's Labyrinth where he's much more serious. Part of that was probably not having someone to play off of.
I could almost imagine Peter and GdT in the commentary for The Hobbit. THAT will be worth the price of a dvd in itself!
"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."
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Doug Jones was in Wellington last year at a convention (and he had the best, BEST time!), and he returns to NZ this year in October - this time to Auckland. We Fan Sapiens just nicknamed it 'Wellycon.' 
http://pulpexpo.com/
He loves NZ and the people. If he gets cast, he'll be one happy Fishstick.
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..was probably the movie PJ had least control over, the movie that the studio messed with the most. It's unmistakably PJ, but not s personal as his other efforts. I always thought there was the kernal of a better movie in The Frigteners somewhere. I knew PJ from his earlier films, and especially Heavenly Creatures, which told me pretty much what I needed to know about his filmic imagination and the potential for LOTR.
That must have been quite an adventure seeing all of GDT's films in one bunch. It's useful to have an overview of several of a director's movies. I was a huge fan of Devil's Backbone and Pan so I was throughly delighted GFT was selected. I remember how shocked some folks were that Y Tu Mam Tambien director Alfonso Cuaron was announced to direct Prisoner of Azkaban. But many were unaware of his fine adaptation of children's classic A Little Princess or the classic asaptation of Great Expectations.
OTOH, it can cut both ways. When the director of The Golden Compass was announced I knew that movie knew we were doomed.
Yeah, I'm with ya there!
When it emerged that GdT was the frontrunner for the job (the surprise of which, infact, to me anyway, is what inspired me to finally sign up for membership on TORn after just lurking for years:) I went about collecting every movie and special-edition DVD of his I could get my hands on. Up to that point all I knew of him was seeing HB and PL in the theatres. It was watching his comments about film making in these extra materials that really won me over!
For me there are some parallels between this and the experience I had of becoming a PJ believer before the release of FotR. I had seen the Frighteners, and liked it -- but to me then it was just a "Michael J. Fox movie" and I really didn't mind much who created or directed it. So when I found out that the LotR was going to be entrusted to a realtively unknown "horror" director, I was in shock. But eventually, as I heard stories and rumours about how the project came about I learned to trust that it might actually turn out alright afterall. I have to give a majority of credit for that to TORn, because it was my discovering it and their coverage of PJ's progress that was most instrumental in my personal evolution in that respect. :) I have since collected everything of PJ's work I could get my hands on too, of course.
Btw- Nice nick. :)
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Jun 16 2008, 10:18pm
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Guillermo didn't lend Hellboy his sarcastic, ironic, smart one liners, Mike Mignola did.
I sure am excited for HB2 though.
I've not seen Hellboy ...... though i'm thinking of seeing "2" at the cinema if i get the chance.
The thing that put me off was hearing the "one-liners" in the trail for the first one.
It puts me off, though i do find it hard to explain why....
I think it's because it makes a character sound like some long time resident of Brooklyn NY or some place...
It's ok if your Will Smith saving the world.....but a Demon or something like that...???
Hmmm
Can anyone change my thoughts on this?
Or do i have a point? (for once!! lol)
"Only the guilty dream"... oh dear, i'm DOOMED!!
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Guillermo didn't lend Hellboy his sarcastic, ironic, smart one liners, Mike Mignola did.
I sure am excited for HB2 though. I've not seen Hellboy ...... though i'm thinking of seeing "2" at the cinema if i get the chance. The thing that put me off was hearing the "one-liners" in the trail for the first one. It puts me off, though i do find it hard to explain why.... I think it's because it makes a character sound like some long time resident of Brooklyn NY or some place... It's ok if your Will Smith saving the world.....but a Demon or something like that...??? Hmmm Can anyone change my thoughts on this? Or do i have a point? (for once!! lol)
Well, the whole point about Hellboy is that he's an ordinary, blue-collar working-class Joe all bundled up in the body of a demon who just so happens to be the Beast of the Apocalypse. Go figure.
But the thing about HB is that he's a demon with attitude but a heart of gold ... he loves kittens, smokes cigars, is an absolutely rotten shot, is as pathetic around women as a love-lorn teenager but is completely fearless when it comes to saving the world. He has a good heart and is deeply honourable. He is loyal to his friends, has a strong sense of family, and although occasionally he isn't too bright about stuff he does his best to defend the world against the things that go bump in the night - he really is the one who bumps back.
For all that he has a smart-alec attitude, you just have to love the big lug.
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Huan71
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Tis' a bit clearer now ! Cheers for that.
I think i shall give em' both a try! Time and fiscally permitting...
"Only the guilty dream"... oh dear, i'm DOOMED!!
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I mean REALLY see him, without massive prosthetics as Thranduil or another character that he can really sink his own teeth in :D He's AWESOME!
"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."
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Jun 17 2008, 6:45am
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For all those who (like me) were initially troubled by the fact that GDT chose to make a film franchise out of a character who looks like Old Scratch.
The Hellboy story is like a sort of modern, inverted twist on the Superman tale. That is, he is a supernatural being who chose to fight the bad gays and save the world. His exact origions are a bit difficult to explain, but basically he is a demon who has rebelled against his demonaic heritage. As Hellmistress (HM) said, Hellboy was SUPPOSED to be the Beast Of The Apocalypse, but he chose not to be. He rejected his birthright in Hell, and stayed in the world of men, our world, to "fight on the side of the angels", so to speak, and defend humankind from those he was supposed to be the leader of. He fights with the good guys.
Evangelical Christians believe that the battle between God and Satan is a daily occurrence and is real, that Satan is a real force to be daily driven off by invoking the power of Jesus. There is a literal war going on in the world every day, a battle for our souls. Mignola's universe builds on that belief (though he probably doesn't use it as source material! I doubt if he was religious!) in a less dramatic and more pop tale fashion, something more literal. In Mike Mignola's universe, our world is filled with supernatural beings, not all of them invisible, who are often corporeal representations of the monsters and demons and bogeymen of fiary tales, folklore, and ancient civilizations, come to life. These can be independent spirits or they can be allied with the Dark Powers. So for example, in "The Bones of Giants", the story I quoted from, Hellboy and his companions are called to Sweden after a fisherman stumbles across what appears to be the frozen corpse of a man who looks like Thor. A Norse God comes to life. HB is posessed by the God and the story revolves around his attempts to return to his normal self. Or HB might fight a Portugese forest demon,from Brazil (who speaks Portugese!) in a playground, or an ancient Egyptian crocodile-demon. You get the idea. Interestingly, Mignola often takes real historical figures and woeaves them into his mythos. Thus, one of the key villains of the comics, and which GDT adapted in the first Hellboy film, is the historical figure of Rasputin. And he makes him evilly cool beyond words.
The good guys in the Hellboy comics and films belong to an outfit called the B.P.R.D. (the Beareau for Paranormal Research and Defense). This is a kind of FBI that deals with infestations of supernatural creatures. A "Who ya gonna call? Ghostbusters!" kind of thing. Hellboy is a legitimately recongnized Good Guy and he has been honored for his work by the U.N. He is a celebrity and public figure. When something big and scary invades your neighborhood, you call these guys. I can't explain who the leaders are or anything, you have to read up on that, but HB's monster-fighting companions in the BPRD are the Doug Jones and other characters. They're all kind of misfits whom Hellboy felt sorry for and took under his wing, and had them brought to the Bereau to raise and train to be agents.
There's a LOT more, Huan, but I can't explain it all. The best advice in this case is to do what I did: introduce yourself to the Hellboy characters through the graphic novels, rather than the first Hellboy film. This is one of those things that you need time to digest the concept of the characters and the world. A good place to start would be to look up Mike Mignola's "Hellboy: A Companion" like I did. It is a nice compendium of the sotryline, characters, and the basic mythos. It's a much richer world than it appeard to be. Each of the characters struggle with themselves as people (or demons, or fish-men, in Abe's case!), relationships, etc.
Initially, the appeal of the Hellboy character for many is those snappy one-liners. I always thought Mignola read a lot of Spider-Man growing up and that's what influenced that! Hellboy could be facing off against a horde of six-tentacled Octopi demons or whatever, and he'd just go, :Oh, crap."
Imagine, Huan, if Beren, seeing Carcharoth approaching just sighed and said "Somebody needs a Milk Bone." (!)
That's a pretty poor summary, HM, and I didn't even talk about Abe much, but I hope it's a good basic intro! BTW, thanks for showing up and explaining Wellycon! The next time he's down there, he can go visit WETA's new gift shop and open area of the Studio, "The Cave."
We need to get more Fan Sapiens over here! "He'll be one happy Fishstick"...I still CAN'Y wrap my brain around that nick without the hugest grin on my face. And I suppose Missus Laurie is the Tartar Sauce?  
I have a question about the HB 2 site. I can't get into anything! You click something and the background font fades but nothing else opens up.....
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before you plan to see HB2. I think it'd be like seeing TT without the experience and history you need from FotR to understand much of the film. Hellboy is not the only unique characters. We also have Abraham (Abe) Sapien played by Doug Jones and voiced by David Hyde Pierce. He is a fascinating character who lives in water (blue coloured fish/humanoid) but wears gear that helps him walk about. He has powers of perception and clairvoyance. Red and Blue work with a secret government agency to battle evil. Then... there's Liz. The love of Hellboy's life who is tormented by her power of fire.
The one-liners are a hoot, imho. Ron Perlman is incredible as Hellboy and really punches through the prosthetics to give us a tough, mouthy, compassionate, fiercely determined enemy of the baddies. As his mentor/adopted father (wonderful John Hurt) explains what they do best as he tells their newest recruit (Rupert Evans... who would be a great Bilbo, imho), "There are things that go bump in the night. We are the ones who bump back.
"Have you seen The Faculty? The genre is along the line of that film. They even use many of the same sound effects for the creatures, etc. ;)
I really enjoy this film so much. After watching it a buhzillion times, I still laugh a so many perfect moments. "I'm fireproof. You're not." *shudder* CLASSIC!
"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."
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I gotta admit that the concept is both interesting and open to vast storyline opportunities.
I guess that, for me, the problem is "where i'm at" at the moment...
Certain things in my life, such as; The music i'm into, some of my hobbies, my family, the books i've read over the years, stuff i've seen on the telly' ..etc, have led me in certain directions.
For example, I've gotten interested in ancient English history, which has led me to Beowulf (i've recently gotten the Bi-lingual version). My interest in mythological history and how the movie industry inaccurately portrays it has led me to Homer (i recently got "The Iliad"). Some science-fiction books i've read have led to an increased interest in Shakespeare (would you believe!!??). Also my interest in some aspects of science means i'm interested in what might be termed "Speculative movies" (not that there's been any decent ones out...Don't get me started on Day after tomorrow or 10,000 BC..)
There are other examples i could give of things i'm into or getting into but i don't want to bore you (or go to far off topic!! Big no no!!).
Basically...i guess i'm feeling kinda serious at the moment!! , lol
Hellboy, (or should that be- the way hes portrayed..?), doesnt really, umm,..."fit" with me at the moment..(does that make sense???) though i would like to check it out in the future!
There is another problem with "Wisecrack, everyday American guy" type hero's....
Now, i don't know how to put this without upsetting a few (well, lots) of people here.....
but...
There's a feeling amongst a lot of people i know of "Oh no, not another Yank saving the world !"
Please don't take that as a dig, insult or slight but It's an easy trap to fall into when the majority of the world's big movies are based (well, financed..) in the states. The thing is, when i saw the Hellboy trailer, that's the feeling i got......sorry
I was, originally, very worried about how LotR's would be filmed...Things like Accents and feel of the environment...luckily i needn't have been ! (Well, apart from the odd skateboarding Elf..... ...)
I hope i've explained myself ok and you've not taken that as one big Dis' ...?!
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts....if any! lol
"Only the guilty dream"... oh dear, i'm DOOMED!!
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Oh, come on, Huan, spit it out....
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What you really mean to say is that some--make that a lot--well, maybe make that EVERYBODY? that you know personally-- (I see you're a non-Yank) has a problem--well, multiple problems-- with the concept of ":another Yank saving the world" these days.And I won't put a smiley on that. Del Toro has put it more politely in his PL DVD commentary than anyone on here probably ever could have: "The world is a different place than it was 7 or 8 yrs ago." Is that the current mother of all understatements? I'll bet you're just as dying to sermonize about the headlines as I am, but that would both get us into, shall I say, just a WEE but of trouble.  Make that a LOT.
On your first point, let me say that if this wasn't Del Toro's project, I doubt if I'd pay attention to it. But I only really discovered his work after seeing PL in the theater. Then I began familairizing myself with his work, and discovered that I knew Chronos already, etc. In the US graphic novels and theworld of superheroes are something you outgrow, hopefully, by the time you hit 25. And if you're female, you're not supposed to be a fan at all. Well, I broke that rule, obviously. Though yes, I did grow out of what discerning adults call "graphic novels". But I figured that Del Toro would not take on a comic franchise unless there was something more to it than the typical bland good vs evil American mythology. (Which is...well, I can't say anyway!) His is the world of literature and folklore and myth, more so than usual; so I can say that this is probaly the closest thing you'll come to :"literary" in a comic universe. The Hellboy characters constantly struggle with their own weaknesses as people (or creatures?) and the stories are full of their personal conflcits.
Furthermore, I take comfort in the fact that Del Toro, after..well, after the Times started getting REALLY interesting in that uniquely Chinese way, did not abandon the concept or the franchise, and chose instead to make them parables....Mignola's Hellboy series was created in the '90's, when everything was different. The characters operate in ways Americans always have. The wisecrack is part of the national attitude...a figment of the country's historical optimism. Making light of difficult things."can-do attitude", I guess. It;s another way of saying "No problem." Take this however you choose to. He could have made Hellboy an American creature of the post 9/11 world, and in this new film he might be. IN the PL DVD commenatary we discover that--as I had suspected--there is a political subtext to Ofelia's declining to shed innocent blood in order to regain her position of power and privalege as a Princess. I was shocked when he came right out and explained it. Similarily, I can';t wait to hear his commentary for HB 2 when it comes out on DVD, Blu Rasy, whatever. I 'd love to know just who the Golden Army are supposed to be (whatever they were to Mignola, to GDT it'll be something different) and what their agenda is.
Hellboy sawing off his horns...what a powerful metaphor that is.
Yet, *he* has not abandoned the franchise. He merely modifies it. You don't know how gratifying to me this is.
As regards your other point, I minored in History in college. I too have gone through the process of "moving beyond" certain aspects of pop culture in favor of literature. By now, after reading GDT's list of influences, we should know that for him, this is FUN.
Now, is supposewe can get back ontopic...let me just say that I understand his desire for showing Beorn very well!
As for comparisons between the films...I've never heard the HB commentary so I will try to hear that this wknd, so I can contribute something on topic to this thread:)
As to me...will I see it?
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Yo, Brooklyn....ok, Queens, representing...
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Huan, greatest of wolfhounds.....are Brooklynites the only ones who whip off one liners, and does that make Gimli an honorary New Yorker?? Lol....I know some Clevelanders who can spout some whimsical lines....
One of my favorite funny parts of LOTR is the competition between Gimli and Legolas in slaying orcs, as it was funny as written by Tolkien and funny in PJ's movies, comic relief amidst the war, while showing how two people from different backgrounds overcame their distrust for each other and their peoples....while of course slaying a common enemy...
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Hey, thanks for pointing that out! Am glad GDT put them in the film....and directed the scenes the way he did...I'll have to check out the background on HB after watching the flick...
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... Ron Perlman is from Washington Heights in NYC, so his one-liners as HB work perfectly for me.
As Sunflower has pointed out, the movieverse and comicverse of Hellboy do not match - G has taken HB and his world and adapted it, much as the adaptation for Hellboy Animated is slightly different too. And this is with Mike's blessing, as he much prefers to see other 'takes' on his creation rather than his own - he says it leads the way to myriad fascinating tweaks and stops the characters becoming stale.
Abe, for example, in MM's world is not psychic and Liz and HB are not an item.
But both Mike and Guillermo are endlessly fascinated with world mythology ... the arcane and the odd, the weird and the magical, and you will see that in their works constantly. In Hellboy II, Prince Nuada of the Silver Lance and his father, King Balor, are based on characters from the great Celtic mythos the Tuatha de Danaan. In Bones of Giants (and yes, I'm as in love with that story as Sunflower is!) we have Ratatosk and ice giants from the ending of days, Ragnarok, and in the HB Animated story Blood & Iron we explore the world of vampires, based on the tale of Erzsébet Báthory who killed over 600 young women in Transylvania in the 16th & early 17th century. Wonderful stuff. So G is perfectly set up to explore Tolkien's world and interpret it with vim and verve - and I, for one, can't wait.
Oh, and for those interested in sagas, try Egil's Saga and Orkneyinga Saga. And also the celtic Mabinogion. Lovely stuff. And you historians out there would also probably enjoy the Anglo Saxon Chronicles - not myths, but an historical record, albeit a little squiffed as it would be by late Saxon/early medieval monks. Much like Tacitus' histories - you take them as they come, and bear in mind the Roman behind the tales, who was very much a political creature. Context is all.
Anyway, I'm babbling and I have to go to work. Today, I'm cataloguing two big boxes of 19th century spectacles. Oh joy. Sigh.
HM
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Huan71
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Jun 18 2008, 10:13am
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Well, since you put it like that !!
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You could sell ice to an eskimo..
maybe i will watch Hellboy 2 .
I wonder who i should be cheering for?...Hmm
"Only the guilty dream"... oh dear, i'm DOOMED!!
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