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Smaug the iron
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Oct 10 2015, 10:55pm
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Ending with old Bilbo
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How did you like that The Hobbit trilogy ended with old Bilbo from a scene from LOTR.? Good? Bad? Mix feelings?
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NManfredi
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Oct 10 2015, 11:20pm
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That scene felt like the perfect ending. I'm not saying that the overall ending of the movie was perfect –it felt lacking of some things, like the Dwarves' funeral, for instance. But the way MF delivered that scene, all throughout and right until that wonderful smirk he does in the end –reminding us Ian Holme's Bilbo– was amazing, imo.
As was the way it cut to old Bilbo holding the Ring, right before they have their heartfelt encounter from FOTR. The scene felt like it really connected both trilogies, imo, and I like it very much.
"Is it not a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt for so small a thing? So small a thing! And I have seen it only for an instant in the house of Elrond! Could I not have a sight of it again?"
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Elarie
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Oct 10 2015, 11:26pm
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I thought it was a lovely ending and a wonderful bridge into FOTR. After seeing BOTFA for the first time at the theater I watched FOTR at home the next day and that scene really made it seem like a natural flow into the next movie. I thought it was perfect. 
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Legomir
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Oct 10 2015, 11:46pm
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To say I loved it would be an understatement
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I expected it to show Old Bilbo again so that wasn't a surprise, but right when he started saying the Lord of the Rings lines I just couldn't stop smiling; it was amazing in my opinion. The perfect way to end the story of The Hobbit and the perfect way to end and bridge the two trilogies.
I was worried that PJ would cut the ending short because of all the complaints about Return of the King, but thankfully it didn't happen. Personally I think that the last fifteen-or-so minutes of the film might be might favorite stretch in any Middle-Earth movie, and maybe up there with any movie ever. Something about the nostalgia, and probably the fact that I have serious issues with saying goodbye. Perfection. Even without the funeral.
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Oct 10 2015, 11:54pm
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Great idea to start and end with Old Bilbo. Nice way to connect and bridge the two trilogies. Shows that this is not only its own story, but part of a much larger one, especially because PJ had those other little things to tie them together.
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Oct 11 2015, 1:16am
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I liked it.
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Oct 11 2015, 1:46am
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Brought the films full circle, brought in the magic of that scene from the much-loved FOTR and kept the ending of the final Hobbit film Hobbit-centric. Overall I'm not a fan of BOTFA but this scene is perfect.
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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balbo biggins
Nargothrond
Oct 11 2015, 3:17am
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well you couldnt start the hobbit with the old bilbo and not finish with it!
personally, in the bigger scheme of things, it wasnt needed, you end up with a film that is a flashback with flashbacks in flashbacks!
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Smaug the iron
Mithlond
Oct 11 2015, 8:52am
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I love the ending with old Bilbo
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A perfect way to end The Hobbit trilogy and hand it over to LOTR.
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NoelGallagher
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Oct 11 2015, 9:51am
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Martin Freeman nailed it.
Sublime acting, beautiful music, great feelings
One of the best in the trilogy.
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balbo biggins
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Oct 11 2015, 12:43pm
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martin freeman wasnt old bilbo!!!
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NoelGallagher
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Oct 11 2015, 12:50pm
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martin freeman wasnt old bilbo!! I simply refered to Freemans part.
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 11 2015, 1:59pm
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I simply refered to Freemans part.
Yes, but since the discussion is about Old Bilbo in the epilogue to the films, your comment was confusingly out-of-place. How is Martin Freeman's performance relevant to a role played by Ian Holm?
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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NoelGallagher
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Oct 11 2015, 2:30pm
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To me the whole scene of young Bilbo arriving at Bag End til old Bilbo belongs to the ending. I dont judge for a couple of seconds seeing old Bilbo.
Anyway, Ian Holm is alright,even if I didnt liked his acting in the shots we got in the Hobbit. Overall an good scene.
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QuackingTroll
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Oct 11 2015, 2:30pm
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I was always annoyed that Frodo running off to meet Gandalf wasn't the last shot...
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I never really wanted the bookends - and still would have preferred the opening to be the Erebor flashback, possibly narrated by older Bilbo, but handled much more subtly so that the entire story afterwards doesn't feel like a flashback - Kinda like Galadriel facelessly narrating the intro for FotR (In fact I've fan-edited my own opening like this and I like it very much).
But I always thought the party preparation and Frodo running off would have made the best concluding scene of the trilogy - because it hands off perfectly into FotR without any overlap - and I remember telling myself that I'll only accept AUJ's bookend prologue if they genuinely have a better final shot than Frodo running off (which I didn't think likely at all).
But boy was I proven wrong! While Bilbo hearing the knock does overlap the timelines, it is only very slightly (not like coming out at Rivendell or Valinor) but what I particularly like is that it's almost exactly how the book ends, with Bilbo many years later being visited by Gandalf (minus Balin). It was perfectly executed and I dislike AUJ's prologue a little less because of it - Although I still feel Frodo is completely irrelevant to any of this plot and just slows the film down before it gets going
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Elvenhome
Oct 11 2015, 2:40pm
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I'll give you that one. Freeman's Bilbo does start out the whole sequence before it transitions. Omitting any mention of the rest of the scene just threw a couple of us off.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Oct 11 2015, 2:43pm
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I would have liked Gandalf and Balin's visit to be the epilogue to the Hobbit trilogy, but I can understand why Jackson might not have wanted to include both that and a final bookend with Ian Holm.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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QuackingTroll
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Oct 11 2015, 3:35pm
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It would have helped continuity a little...
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...to show Gandalf and Balin visit Ian Holm's Bilbo sometime before FotR.
Imagine AUJ just having Erebor as its prologue with no Frodo or old Bilbo, the whole trilogy feels more set in the "present".
Then the final scene Ian Holm is back!! Old Bilbo answers the door to Gandalf and Balin. Balin talks about reclaiming Moria and Bilbo tells them about adopting his new heir and introduces a child - Frodo. And then end with the tobacco jar being passed and a close up of the map or the ring.
That would help with Gandalf's apparently knowing Frodo in FotR as well as his line "you haven't aged a day" to Bilbo. We can still make assumptions that there were visits in between, but it would have been neater to see it.
What we got is still fantastic, though.
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balbo biggins
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Oct 11 2015, 3:55pm
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How did you like that The Hobbit trilogy ended with old Bilbo from a scene from LOTR.?
'Martin Freeman nailed it'
martin freeman wasnt old bilbo!!!
'I simply refered to Freemans part.'
yeah but thats not the question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Oct 11 2015, 5:41pm
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It would have helped continuity a little...
...to show Gandalf and Balin visit Ian Holm's Bilbo sometime before FotR.
Well, wasn't that the point of having Ian Holm as Bilbo in the epilogue? The visit from Balin and Gandalf was only supposed to be a few years after Bilbo returns to Bag End (taking place in TA 2949 according to Tolkien). I think it would have worked better to keep Freeman in that sequence if it had been included. Of course, some of the dialogue from that sequence was moved to Gandalf and Bilbo's parting at the border of Hobbiton. The only thing that we really lose is news of events in Rhovanion following the Battle of Five Armies (and the possible addition of Balin starting to think about Moria).
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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NManfredi
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Oct 11 2015, 6:07pm
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in that MF delivers movements with his body and, most of all, an excellent smirk at the end of the scene which is intended to make people think of Ian Holme's Bilbo. Imo, this was done to show the link between MF and Ian Holme's Bilbo, and that's why it suddenly cuts told bilbo holding the Ring at the beginning of FOTR. It's the first thing i thought of when I watched the scene.
"Is it not a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt for so small a thing? So small a thing! And I have seen it only for an instant in the house of Elrond! Could I not have a sight of it again?"
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QuackingTroll
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Oct 11 2015, 6:33pm
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I meant it would have helped continuity, regarding Gandalf's line...
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"You haven't aged a day". It would no longer sound wrong, because the audience would assume Gandalf means Bilbo hasn't aged since he and Balin visited - which would then be true, in fact Bilbo would have aged backwards.
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Oct 11 2015, 6:34pm
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...MF delivers movements with his body and, most of all, an excellent smirk at the end of the scene which is intended to make people think of Ian Holme's Bilbo.
NG already explained that he was counting the scene of Freeman's Bilbo in Bag End as part of the epilogue. But thanx anyway.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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