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ProudFeet
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Dec 6 2015, 3:51am
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Ending to BOTFA
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I recently watched AUJ again and was thinking a lot about the opening with old Bilbo and Frodo. I can't help but think that would have served as a very nice ending to BOTFA. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the ending we got with the whole 'And what about very old friends?' connection and slow zoom onto the map of the Lonely Mountain. But I think that a final glimpse of Frodo running to meet Gandalf and a final shot of Bilbo smoking on his front doorstep would have served as a beautiful farewell and bookend to the movie. What do you guys think?
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Kilidoescartwheels
Doriath
Dec 6 2015, 5:30am
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Personally could do without Frodo
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but that's just my opinion. I liked old Bilbo quite well, but didn't feel Frodo added anything to the story. MY ideal alt ending would involve Balin, like in the book, but I get why PJ went with the one he did.
Proud member of the BOFA Denial Association
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Milieuterrien
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Dec 6 2015, 12:14pm
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I was too craving for the visit of Balin
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Especially if I could visualize the rebuilding of Dale, Erebor and Esgaroth while Balin tells Bilbo about it, but I imagine the cost for a single shooting of all that would have been prohibitive.
Maybe it's better having no Balin in Bag End, since we would be left to wonder how Gimli could have ignored the demise of his cousin for so long when he entered the Moria in LOTR, as if would be conceivable that the Dwarves conquering Moria would have never communicate with the Dwarves in Erebor during all the years in-between. The end of the Moria dwarves should have been more 'fresh', if I can use such term on such subject.
Curiously in LOTR, Frodo was not accompanying Gandalf into Bag End when the magician came to see his old friend, despite he knew him very well and was fond of their stories, and Bilbo seemed surprised to see Gandalf in the beginning of FOTR despite in AUJ, Frodo knew in advance that Gandalf was coming. There is that little discrepancy between the too trilogies...
...but also 13 years between, and that can explain much
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Dec 6 2015, 12:50pm
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But Frodo WAS expecting Gandalf...
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If you recall, some of the first words Frodo spoke to Gandalf in FotR were, 'You're late!" so the wizard was clearly expected.
I do find it odd that the Dwarves of Erebor could have gone for most of thirty years after having lost touch with Balin's Moria colony without investigating what had happened. I don't think that Tolkien ever offered up a reasonable explanation.
"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
- Dream of the Endless
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AshNazg
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Dec 6 2015, 1:58pm
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I don't like the Frodo scenes, but...
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The Frodo scenes IMO ruin the experience in AUJ, they slow down the pace and add nothing to the story, other than to shoe-horn in another LotR character.
BUT, I think as an ending it could have worked, because rather than shoe-horning Frodo in, you're using him as a means of transition. And that makes much more sense to me. Also slowing down the pace at the end is much better than slowing it down before it's even started.
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Milieuterrien
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Dec 6 2015, 4:35pm
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I didn't say Frodo was not expecting Gandalf
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I've just said that he didn't drive him into Bilbo's home, as we could expect if there were many tales or news he would have been fond to hear. He just came in late in the evening, without even wondering how Bilbo could suddenly disappear in front of everybody.
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Dec 6 2015, 8:33pm
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My bad, I needed to read your previous post more carefully. I conflated Bilbo and Frodo. No, I see Biblo's surprise at Gandalf's arrival as a sign of some mental deterioration; he's become (returned to being?) a bit scatter-brained over the years. And I see Gandalf's arrival as being the same as in FotR, just from Bilbo's perspective.
He just came in late in the evening, without even wondering how Bilbo could suddenly disappear in front of everybody.
It is not late in the evening, much less after the Hobbit disappears in the middle of his own party. What would lead you to this conclusion? Or am I misunderstanding you again?
"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
- Dream of the Endless
(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Dec 6 2015, 8:36pm)
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Milieuterrien
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Dec 6 2015, 10:01pm
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Gandalf gets immediately to his house.
He and Bilbo have time to speak for a while, and Bilbo has time to pack and leave before Frodo shows himself in, finding there Gandalf who stayed pondering for a time that seemed fairly long. Why didn't Frodo ask Gandalf about Bilbo's disappearance and follow him to Bag End in the first place ? Not that it is absolutely illogical but...
(I haven't read the book so I don't know how it is explained there)
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Dec 6 2015, 10:13pm
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I thought we were still discussing the prologue to AUJ. At the party, I assume that Frodo has to calm down the guests and deal with them before he can get away back to Bag End. Bilbo is long gone by then. In the book, Frodo had guessed at Bilbo's plan if he didn't already know his intentions for certain. And Bilbo had prepared for his departure in advance with the help of several visiting (and unnamed) Dwarves.
"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
- Dream of the Endless
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mae govannen
Dor-Lomin
Dec 7 2015, 1:01pm
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in the sense that I assumed the same. 
'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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Elessar
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Dec 7 2015, 2:36pm
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I think I like the ending we got
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I like how that ties into FOTR so well with after Frodo has left and how AUJ leads to how FOTR stuff so well. You can tell they've aged and all that so it is something you notice (especially if you've seen them as much as some of us have). I still though enjoy it for what it is. I just don't know if I'd want to change it.
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Gianna
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Dec 8 2015, 1:31am
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I would've LOVED the book ending.
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"You are a very fine hobbit, Bilbo Baggins, but only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!"
"Thank goodness!" said Bilbo, and reached for the tobacco jar.
Like you, though, I love the one we got, leading straight into LOTR. Maybe it's just the nostalgia. 
~There's some good left in this world. And it's worth fighting for.~
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My LOTR-inspired fantasy novel is on Amazon
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