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Danielos
Nargothrond
Nov 8 2014, 7:08am
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Runtime according to Swedish source
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According to Swedish cinema chain SF the movie is 142 minutes long. That is too darn short! What happened to PJ? I thought he loved to have his Middle Earth movies of epic lenght! He made a 3 hour King Kong movie for Godīs sake!
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Dor-Lomin
Nov 8 2014, 7:20am
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...and he's made an almost 9 hour Hobbit movie.
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My sympathies for those who feel that the 140-145 min. runtime is too short, but in all honestly I'm perfectly fine with it so long as the movie flows and feels like it earns everything.
This final film is essentially going to be a 2 hour 15(ish) minute climax. So long as it works, that length is just fine.
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen
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Hithlum
Nov 8 2014, 7:25am
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The length is fine as long as the pacing is tight and the tone is consistent throughout the film.The Extended Edition will likely push the duration to nearly 3 hours again.
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adt100
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Nov 8 2014, 8:27am
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Agreed. Unhappy with that length!
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2hr 22 for the TC, and close to 3hrs for the EE seems a very good length to me. As PH has said, we have no major new locations or characters to introduce, and the only 2 main plot intercutting is between dol Guldur and the battle. (Lake town will likely be over fairly swiftly at the start). Hence (and I've used it reference before) I consider I to be largely straight into the action in one place like HP: DH II. The very last thing I want for the climax is a long overly drawn out film that feels like it drags.
DOS TC and EE were the perfect length for me (though they could still have cut much of the forges and dragon chase scene for my liking). AUJ remain too long and drawn out though, to it's detriment.
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There&ThereAgain
Nargothrond
Nov 8 2014, 9:56am
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I don't know about intercutting between just two places
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Maybe by the very peak of the battle, but the trailer gives an even bigger sense that there will be various threads intercutting: Leggy and Tauriel chasing Bolg to Gundabad, Thranduil, Bard, Dol Guldur, the dwarves in Laketown, the dwarves in Erebor, then Gandalf with Thranduil and Bard, the company of dwarves, the splinter dwarves in the cart, Bilbo going over to Gandy and Bard, plus Azog and the other forces! Makes my head spin. We are in for a lot of surprises I think come December.  
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Arannir
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Nov 8 2014, 10:10am
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A good director (and editor) can easily make a great movie out of what is left to tell in 142 minutes.
And PJ is just that.
All is well, IMHO.
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Remus
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Nov 8 2014, 11:11am
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2 hours 22 minutes? I was hoping for like 2 hours 50 minutes without the credits... Well.... PJ knows what he is doing and as long as the movie DONT suffer from bad cutting and scene jumping here and there that screams "deleted scene!" i guess i am fine with it.
I guess the EE will have at least 20-25 minutes of scenes.
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Lost Hobbit
Ossiriand
Nov 8 2014, 4:31pm
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is fine for me. The EE will have some more and hopefully, the auction sequence.
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Silranhir
Nevrast
Nov 8 2014, 5:10pm
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It's what you do with it.
Not bothering going to the cinema to watch this anyway. I actually fell asleep during DoS EE last night. I've never fallen asleep during any of the Lord of the Rings films. And the trailer doesn't make me think that this will be any good sadly.
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Avandel
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Nov 8 2014, 5:44pm
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In this case - and I was not wild about the trailer for a host of reason including not liking the music (don't know much about music but to me sounded repetitive and didn't do anything for me ) - anyway as a dwarf lover had read way back re each and every dwarf would have their moment.
Not to rehash discussions and think PJ may be hiding much, but while a tightly paced film can be very effective, not sure how everyone can get a moment - and hope this doesn't mean a shot of Bifur taking out his orc, finally over a 10-second period - if the film is "short and snappy ".
Not with all the ground PJ has to cover - and after seeing the EE and the Thranduil scene which is something I would have disagreed over - yes, overall for hopefully "fairness to the characters" I would have wished for a film as long as commercially possible and am pretty surprised at what seems to be an almost manic cheerfulness from PJ over having this film be the shortest.
I don't understand that at all and can't get Ridley Scott's irritated opening to the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven out of my head, where he flatly states he was forced to cut the film down and that THIS was the version to watch (which it is).
Sorry you don't enjoy the Hobbit films tho I can add there are sections of LOTR here and there where my mind drifts off or I go get a snack, so that works both ways - just sayin'. And tho I might have liked the BOFA teaser better, I fretted after the first DOS trailer and then for me, multiple TE views. And there is a lot hidden, still, as it should be. But I would have like the film to be LONG. Even with an EE, I don't have an IMAX screen and sound system at home.
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Domien
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Nov 8 2014, 7:18pm
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I think it's not about numbers but about what it feels like. But while it may be the shortest of all of Peter Jackson's Middle-Earth films, I think 142 minutes is still a long movie compared to most. It's about the same length as Inception.
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King_horse
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Nov 8 2014, 8:15pm
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Like someone else already mentioned I think it will feel a lot like deathly hallows part 2: no filler, straight into the action mostly at the same location, emphasis on the main characters and one-on-one fights instead of large images of battlefield...
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Demosthenes
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Nov 10 2014, 11:28am
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According to Swedish cinema chain SF the movie is 142 minutes long. That is too darn short! What happened to PJ? I thought he loved to have his Middle Earth movies of epic lenght! He made a 3 hour King Kong movie for Godīs sake!
Yeah, that's very close to the mark.
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