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bumbaroo_1
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Jan 13 2016, 5:46am
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Deathless vs. Orcrist
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Which would you consider more personal to Thorin- Deathless or Orcrist? Thanks
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ThorinsNemesis
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Jan 13 2016, 6:22am
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Deathless is more fitting (and cool looking) because it's the sword made for the prince of Erebor, while Orcrist is just a sword he found in the Trollshaws.
Personally I have always liked Deathless but I haven't liked Orcrist much, probably because some Dwarven weapons are cooler than the Elven ones  .
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Jan 13 2016, 8:17pm
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Is it the one he had at the beginning of "An Unexpected Journey," or the one he had at Ravenhill? 'Cause obviously that one broke. I'm sticking with Orchrist, sorry! Something about it is just so COOL, and as much as I love Dwarves you gotta admit those Elves can sure make a fine weapon!
Even Thorin thinks so, and you know what he thinks of Elves!
Proud member of the BOFA Denial Association
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Avandel
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Jan 13 2016, 9:23pm
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If you mean which sword would have had deeper meaning to Thorin, I would say Orcrist.
Even though Deathless is a beautiful dwarf weapon, and Thorin (according the WETA books named the sword),
and even tho Gandalf has to jog Thorin into taking a second look at these elven swords, Thorin instantly spotted the quality of
Orcrist and Glamdring.Thorin keeps looking at the sword in wonder before Gandalf says they are elvish, and is willing
to take a second, careful look.
Thorin was a blacksmith; Deathless was a king's weapon, so Orcrist had to be pretty special for him to be
so attracted to the blade. IMO also even Thorin's initial distaste in a way, and looking past that, for me in a sense
"binds" him to the blade. Orcrist is that special. Then we see him looking the blade over, briefly, in the troll cave,
and he is instantly using Orcrist when the wargs attack. Orcrist is Thorin's sword, sadly I never have spotted
Deathless in the films since, but I would assume he gave it to Fili or Kili or even one of the other dwarves.
But perhaps Deathless was left in the goblin tunnels.
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BallyWhooo
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Jan 14 2016, 1:34am
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In the movie, Legolas takes Orchrist from Thorin when they are captured in Mirkwood. During the Battle of the Five Armies, Legolas throws it into an orc attacking Thorin and as it falls off the side of the frozen waterfall, Thorin grabs hold of the hilt so that he can fight back.
In the book, the blade is taken from him by the Elvenking (later identified in LOTR as Thranduil) and the Elvenking gives it back to be entombed with Thorin.
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Hanarr
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Jan 14 2016, 10:38pm
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because he's been carrying it a long time and fought with it at the Battle of Azanulbizar. In fact he's spent years thinking he used it to avenge his grandfather's death by killing Azog. On the other hand he seems to discard it (or lose it) once he finds Orcrist, but still...in terms of personal meaning, Deathless served him far longer.
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Nieriel
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Jan 15 2016, 1:23am
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I think that Deathless was all to Thorin when he was still Thorin Oakenshield. Deathless represented what he was before he started his quest to become King Under The Mountain. After he started out on his quest, Deathless was lost to him (almost as if part of the man 'Oakenshield' was, was lost in the transition from a journeying dwarf lord to King). Orcrist came to him almost by accident and an act of Fate - perhaps he felt that Fate was all he could really rely on to make his dreams a reality. Fate or hope, at any rate. Perhaps he saw finding Orcrist as a sign that good things may come to a man who would be King. Orcist may have represented the closing of one book and the opening of another. None of us remain the same person throughout life, therefore perhaps it makes sense that what is dear to us changes too.
Just thinking out loud really .. 
(This post was edited by Nieriel on Jan 15 2016, 1:24am)
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LSF
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Jan 15 2016, 1:47am
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nice thought process 
I do agree that gaining Orcrist at the expense of Deathless could be a reflection of his personal journey.
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Jan 15 2016, 5:09am
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Moving from broody princeling to King Under the Mountain...
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I think that Deathless was all to Thorin when he was still Thorin Oakenshield. Deathless represented what he was before he started his quest to become King Under The Mountain. After he started out on his quest, Deathless was lost to him (almost as if part of the man 'Oakenshield' was, was lost in the transition from a journeying dwarf lord to King). Orcrist came to him almost by accident and an act of Fate - perhaps he felt that Fate was all he could really rely on to make his dreams a reality. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Visually that sort of dovetails nicely with Thorin literally losing his oaken shield when the eagles rescue the from the trees at the end of Unexpected Journey.
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bumbaroo_1
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Jan 16 2016, 12:17am
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Is it just me, or were there three swords that Thorin used? I find there is a difference between Deathless and the regal sword of Thorin. The pics I looked at show an obvious difference to these 2
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bumbaroo_1
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Jan 16 2016, 12:34am
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Yeah, I checked on Amazon, and there is a difference to the letter opener and the replica of the regal sword. Which one is Deathless, and does the other have a name?
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Avandel
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Jan 16 2016, 5:53pm
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Thorin has 4 swords total over the 3 films
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Although the "human sword" provided by the Master of Laketown doesn't get to do much except be used as a hiking stick. Still, it's impressively *beefy*.
1. Deathless, seen in AUJ
2. Orcrist
3. Some big Laketown sword that gets dropped when Thorin jumps into the mining pit with Smaug after him.
Looks like a pretty basic weapon that was designed to get the job done, nothing more.
4. The sword Thorin acquires in BOFA. There are some suggestions like the crown, the sword belonged to Thror.
IMO a very cool weapon, thanks to the design. Gets broken by Azog tho Thorin is able to wield it as a dagger for a time, until
Orcrist is returned by that thieving elf.
Far as I know, the sword is not named, but seems to have been dubbed "Thorin's Regal Sword" for marketing anyway.
I think of it as the "raven sword", personally.
(this is an image of United Cutlery's replica, in polystone)
Neither of Thranduil's swords seem to have been named, either.
But IMO outstanding weapon design in these films ....
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Susan
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Jan 16 2016, 6:06pm
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I think the fourth sword did used to belong to Thror; if you look at the scene during the Battle of Azanulbizar when Azog first catches sight of Thror and goes after him, he looks to be holding that sword (he brings it into view when he raises his shield).
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bumbaroo_1
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Jan 18 2016, 8:17pm
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Ok so I'll just get both letter openers then. Wish they made a letter opener of the regal sword, as I cannot yet afford the bigger replica!!
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Miss-Merriweather
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Jan 24 2016, 4:36pm
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I think the cherry on the cake from Thorin's point of view was when Elrond handed Orcrist back to him saying "May it serve you well!".
Having an Elf lord acknowledge that this one-of-a-kind blade is his now must have been such fun....
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