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sycorax82
Nargothrond
Oct 24 2013, 3:14am
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Dean O'Gorman (Fili) came in later than I realised!!
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Obviously I knew he had replaced Rob Kazinsky as Fili, but I thought they'd only done a couple of weeks of shooting. In the appendices they say it was '3 or 4 months' in! Even if they were including the Dwarf training it's still a heck of a long time into a production to recast.
No wonder we don't see Fili for extended periods of time throughout AUJ. So much of it had been shot before Dean was cast!
Does anyone know the real reason Rob Kazinsky had to leave? I don't believe it was for 'health reasons' for one moment, especially after seeing the appendices.
They don't mention him once and he was on the production for close to 4 months! If it was genuine health reasons they would have mentioned him and explained at least that they had to let him go. The other thing I think is that...they could have waited for Rob to come back. All the training he did and all those weeks of shooting. He WAS that character. They could have just shot with a double for a while and then done pickups with him later. It was coming to the end of the first block anyway. He obviously wasn't too ill because he was soon doing Pacific Rim for Guillermo del Toro.
It seems most likely that he was fired for some reason. I may be totally wrong but now we know he was on set for most of block 1 it doesn't make sense for him to leave the production after all that work.
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deskp
Menegroth
Oct 24 2013, 3:29am
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I belive they said family/personal reasons or something, not health.
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Arannir
Doriath
Oct 24 2013, 6:25am
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And he thanked the filmteam for the support afterwards.
We do not no anything else and apparently no harm was done to the schedule, and should therefore probably respect those private reasons and don't start groundless speculation. We all know that private reasons can mean a lot, but we certainly cannot judge.
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DuBekar
Ossiriand
Oct 24 2013, 9:07am
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I think it was because of family matters and because he started to work on True Blood!
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Avandel
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Oct 24 2013, 12:59pm
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adore Kili but because the brothers are so close and Fili is the heir after all, being the oldest, it's been a tad frustrating not seeing more of Fili from time to time - and just odd. Love it when Fili walks down the table at Bag End and Dwalin is saying something to him about it. Really hope Fili has a bit more presence in DOS - it was DO shooting the barrel scenes, after all. And what happened to the scene in the grasslands where Fili is talking to Thorin behind the rocks? Was hoping that would be in EE version.
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Azaghâl
Menegroth
Oct 24 2013, 3:16pm
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I had completely forgotten about that scene
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The Thorin Fili moment in the grasslands was the scene I was most looking forward to seeing in the EE. Maybe it was always meant for DoS. There are a couple of other things that I had expected too see that was cut.. Didn't PJ promis us a bit more of Kiran Shahs goblin skribe? And also some of the scene from the very first trailer during the goblin town chase has been left out. 
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Avandel
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Oct 24 2013, 3:38pm
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Funny thing is the Thorin/Fili image shows up fairly often for PR - it might have been a few seconds but I still wanted to see some direct interaction with Thorin and Fili - about the only time you see any bonding with those two is when Fili calls for him in the eagle sequence and looks so upset. Think the Thorin/Fili image was part of the warg chase in AUJ so don't think it will be in DOS - but wish they put it in EE version.
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Maciliel
Doriath
Oct 24 2013, 5:23pm
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so frustrating to not see more of fili -- both because of the character's importance (thorin's nephew, also the next in line after thorin) and because of o'gorman's portrayal (which i love).
more fili, please. his absence (sometimes) is jarring.
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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The Grey Elf
Hithlum
Oct 24 2013, 7:06pm
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If DeanO's ever commented on what it was like being brought into the production so late? Especially considering he missed boot camp. Did he get some one-on-one training time to get him up to fighting speed? It can't have been easy to pick up a character where another actor left off. But I agree with the other posters who want to see more of Fili -- Dean and Aidan work really well together but please give us more Fili in DOS, PJ!
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sycorax82
Nargothrond
Oct 24 2013, 9:58pm
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We see him training in the appendices
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He did get some one-on-one training and had to learn how to use two swords, fast!
Interestingly enough, I have now seen the part where Peter says they lost Rob a week into shooting, which kind of contradicts the other comment elsewhere. I'm pretty sure you see glimpses of Rob in various scenes like the Rivendell entrance and Goblin Town, so how could he have only done a week's shooting?
I suppose at the end of the day none of it matters. Dean O'Gorman is an amazing Fili! I laughed watching the extras when he said even Aiden Turner would get mixed up and call him Kili sometimes!
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Esmeralda
Nevrast
Oct 25 2013, 1:23am
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He was hired in April, though I don't know when his first day on set was,
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But O'Gorman did say it was with Andy Serkis, and I believe it was filming the Troll Shaw fight. He said he was completely bewildered, but Andy helped by explaining things from an actor's perspective.
I've attempted to piece together the actual schedule - the cast showed up in January for a month of boot camp. They were supposed to start filming in February, but PJ got sick at the end of January and filming didn't start until March 21. The first two weeks were spent on Riddles in the Dark. So it seems that Kazinsky would have only been filming a couple of weeks, even though he'd been there almost four months.
(This post was edited by Esmeralda on Oct 25 2013, 1:26am)
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