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Dain's war hammer
 

emre43
Nargothrond

Dec 13 2015, 9:02am

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Is it just me who was disappointed that Dain was wielding a war hammer during the BotFA? Dain is renowned across Middle Earth for his skill with a red axe and for wielding this axe just as well during old age. In concept art and behind the scenes footage Dain is carrying a beautiful, double-bladed red axe, one of the most aesthetically-pleasing weapons I've seen in Middle Earth in my opinion.


However, for some reason, which as far as I know hasn't been explained, Peter Jackson decided to switch the axe and give Dain a war hammer; which actually looks very much like Thrain's anyway, so it isn't even unique.


If Jackson had given Gimli a war hammer in LOTR, instead of his famed axes, there would have been uproar.

Two things I love most, good horses and beautiful women, And when I die I hope they tan this old hide of mine and make it into a ladies riding saddle, So I can rest in peace between the two things I love.
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Smaug the iron
Mithlond


Dec 13 2015, 9:49am

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I was not disappointed, I like the war Hammer, it fits Dain. The red axe to me was not so special. Because first of all the axe was not in the hobbit and second of all I did not read the LOTR appendices.

And comparing Gimli to Dain is not the best comparison because Gimli had the axe in three books but Dain had his axe only in the appendices in LOTR.


Konrad S
Menegroth

Dec 13 2015, 9:50am

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I have also wondered why he has a warhammer in the Movie but behind the scenes a red battleaxe. I saw in a behind the scenes Dain Ironfoot II he first had very much armor and a red battle axe and stuff, but peter tought it was not alike his personallty, so they changed. Dains Hammer and Thrains Hammer Dains is more like a big red hammer, meanwhile Thrains is like a warhammer on one side and a long Sharp spike on the other side. Both are red and pretty alike tought.


Well so i Think they changed to match both Ironfoots and Billys personallity its more chrusing and knocking than choping with axe.


There probally something i spelled wrong sorry for that.


emre43
Nargothrond

Dec 13 2015, 11:09am

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It fits Dain's film personality perhaps [In reply to] Can't Post

In the book, Dain is more wise and reasonable than PJ's depiction. He also wielded the read axe to behead Azog when he was 32 years old, so it's not as if he only started wielding the axe in later life.

Two things I love most, good horses and beautiful women, And when I die I hope they tan this old hide of mine and make it into a ladies riding saddle, So I can rest in peace between the two things I love.
- Russell J. Larsen


Konrad S
Menegroth

Dec 13 2015, 11:28am

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Well i haven´t readed The Hobbit i started but then i read things like this [In reply to] Can't Post

The dwarves has Yellow and blue beards like what the freak why whould they have colourful beards and why had they not Red and green beards?


and then *- all started to sing but not thorin he was to fine to do that.., ... to fine? Thorin? Thorin is not to fine to sing what the heck...


Azaghâl
Menegroth


Dec 13 2015, 9:30pm

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The dwarves has Yellow and blue beards like what the freak why whould they have colourful beards and why had they not Red and green beards?


and then *- all started to sing but not thorin he was to fine to do that.., ... to fine? Thorin? Thorin is not to fine to sing what the heck...


How can you know if Thorin is not too fine to sing if you didn't read the book? Tolkiens original Thorin is very different from PJ's movie Thorin.

And the beards are not to be taken that litteral. It had more to do with their hoods.

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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome


Dec 13 2015, 11:32pm

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The dwarves has Yellow and blue beards like what the freak why whould they have colourful beards and why had they not Red and green beards?


You might want to read 'yellow' as yellow-blond. And 'blue' might be interpreted as bluish-grey.


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and then *- all started to sing but not thorin he was to fine to do that.., ... to fine? Thorin? Thorin is not to fine to sing what the heck...


Thorin was too proud and self-important to join in on the song about poor Bilbo's plates and cutlery (and in AUJ he had not even yet arrived at Bag End), but he did play the harp and doubtless sang with the others about their home in "Far Over the Misty Mountains Cold."

"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."


- Dream of the Endless


(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Dec 13 2015, 11:34pm)


Avandel
Gondolin


Dec 14 2015, 11:20pm

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However, for some reason, which as far as I know hasn't been explained, Peter Jackson decided to switch the axe and give Dain a war hammer; which actually looks very much like Thrain's anyway, so it isn't even unique.


We only see Thrain very briefly - and that has a movie between. Visuals - Dwalin is associate with axes and they are part of his "silhouette" and Gloin is wielding an axe we know from LOTR.

So giving Dain a war-hammer would differentiate Dain from other dwarves and is also fun if you are going to have someone mounted on a pig hitting skulls - in theory an axe could get stuck *awkward*.Shocked

No, I wasn't disappointed. I saw a powerful dwarf with powerful weapon.


Konrad S
Menegroth

Dec 15 2015, 1:11pm

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Well i dont like the book thorin then!
and if you mean blonde and grey why would you say Blue and yellow, wow JRR Tolkien really liked Sweden and its colours.


emre43
Nargothrond

Dec 16 2015, 11:50am

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To me it just seems an unnecessary change, like so many others, that Jackson just seems to slip in casually, just for the sake of doing so.

Two things I love most, good horses and beautiful women, And when I die I hope they tan this old hide of mine and make it into a ladies riding saddle, So I can rest in peace between the two things I love.
- Russell J. Larsen

 
 
 

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