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gliido
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Oct 23 2015, 7:53pm
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Dain Ironfoot Featurette?
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Just curious. Is there a featurette in the Appendices regarding the design/creation of Dain? I haven't heard anyone mention it. I'm mostly curious if they talk about the transition to CGI.
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Faleel
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Oct 23 2015, 7:54pm
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No mention about the transition to CGI according to nusilver
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gliido
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Oct 23 2015, 7:56pm
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So there is a featurette about him? Strange that they wouldn't mention it at all if there is.
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Oct 23 2015, 7:58pm
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There is a 30 minute featurette about Dain
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in the Appendices but no mention of CGIing him at all.
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gliido
Nevrast
Oct 23 2015, 8:01pm
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That is unbelievable. I wonder if they really think they fooled us into believing Dain was real. I mean, he looked fantastic for a CG creation, but he was definitely CG.
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Oct 23 2015, 8:04pm
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They did say they discovered, after doing a lot of the filming with Billy connely, that the dain make up was too much and too heavy and hid his real face too much. But they didn't go into any detail about what that meant later and the cgi stuff.
Though they do state that was one reason why they did cgi dain in the chronicles book.
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Oct 23 2015, 8:09pm
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The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true
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adt100
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Oct 23 2015, 11:18pm
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The 'official' line was always "the make up hid too much of his face and character". Others suggested that it was a result of Connelly's Parkinson's causing him difficulty in performing as hoped. It certainly seems that had it simply been the former 'official' reason, then WETA would have loved to have showcased their achievement. After all, it is pretty amazing for a full CGI creation. Even more so that they did it so late on in post production. No mention of it at all is very disappointing and baffling.
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Avandel
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Oct 24 2015, 12:23am
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Maybe NOT mentioning it is being protective of the fiery Connelly - if you start talking about it a lot in a feature and showing a lot details, then you are going to start FOCUSING - and a lot of the time I can't tell the difference anyway - to me it's all Bill Connelly. I am a bit dubious of "hiding too much of his face and character" as if that were true, why not just thin the prosthetics down? I could be wrong, as that is a huge beard and lots of bushy hair. Maybe as filming was going on, it was just too much for BC physically as the lights are hot, the prosthetics make you sweat, it's a lot of layers, and the actors have said before in prosthetics you have to work your facial muscles extra hard. I'm glad as just BC's voice is amazing.
Anyway, I love Dain in this, and he doesn't bother me as much as the elf clones....
I know we've seen footage of the wave of different archers bringing their bows up in practice, but I swear in this shot and others it's the same elf. Elf clones.....
Hó , Það sé ég föður minn
Hó , Það sé ég móður mína, og Hó, Það sé ég bræður mínir og systur mínar
Hó , Það sé ég mitt fólk aftur í byrjun
Hó, gera Þeir kalla til mín, og bjóða mér að taka minn stað meðal þeirra í sölum Valhallar
Hvar hugrakkir mun lifa að eilífu
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MechaGodzilla
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Oct 24 2015, 1:57am
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Now I'm even more convinced his health issues are the reason, and that it's probably kept secret because that's what Connolly wishes.
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adt100
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Oct 24 2015, 10:09am
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I liked Dain in the film. I just wish we had seen more of the process of bringing him to screen. After all, to me he rivals gollum as such a realistic character, more so in fact.
As for the clone army, that one certainly is baffling! They didn't need to do it at Helm's Deep so why here. Obviously there only so many extras you can hire, but you don't clone the front row in a scene! Again, could've been a time thing (or lack thereof!)
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Avandel
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Oct 24 2015, 4:17pm
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Now I'm even more convinced his health issues are the reason, and that it's probably kept secret because that's what Connolly wishes.
Not just what Connolly would want, but just plain dignity and respect by PJ and co. The idea that PJ and co. really looked after their less physically capable cast, who were always treated with honor, if you will. Reminds me of reading how the press would close ranks around President Roosevelt, hiding his wheel chair from view.
Used to be folks had some respect for privacy and decency . So I like to think that's what PJ and co. did, once BC was on set and perhaps things weren't coming across as they wished. PJ made the Dain he envisioned happen anyway, and worked around any issues. And I am happy as I love this Dain and I think any actor would have been proud to have this immortal legacy of their character on film.
And I'll always cherish the fact that BC told PJ when asked if he had read LOTR/Hobbit/Tolkien, that he said "No, and I don't much like folks that have" and PJ laughed and hired him anyway . I bet in a trillion years BC never thought he would become a Middle Earth icon!
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Avandel
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Oct 24 2015, 4:28pm
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As for the clone army, that one certainly is baffling! They didn't need to do it at Helm's Deep so why here. Obviously there only so many extras you can hire, but you don't clone the front row in a scene! Again, could've been a time thing (or lack thereof!) LOL - eagle-eyed Hobbit fans who watch the films over and over . Time, I think, and money. Helm's Deep - the front row is featured a lot longer time wise, and the ability to do that kind of CGI was less than it is now.
We really don't see the front row of elves that long, it's just enough for Bard and Thranduil to push through. I guess they like that elf a lot, had the right "unfathomable" look to him. I probably didn't notice in a theater, but being able to see a film repeatedly you start noticing stuff.
That said - I saw Jurrasic Park 3 or 4 or whatever it is for the first time last night, and it popped into my head re CGI, I couldn't wait to rush back to the Hobbit films . I can't put my finger on the JP dinosaurs but something about the CGI was way off IMO, the whole film . As tho they were the tiniest bit fuzzy, all the time or there was IMO just something lacking.
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Mooseboy018
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Oct 24 2015, 8:58pm
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I think there are a few things that make Jurassic World's dinosaurs less convincing than they should be.
-color grade making everything look a little cartoony
-some of the animation lacking a sense of weight
-animators putting too much personality into some of the scenes to the point where the dinosaurs feel more like cartoon characters rather than real animals
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Oct 25 2015, 3:11am
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This is the return of the clone army ;-)
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The prologue scene with Thranduil looking down on Erebor also features a similar clone army.
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