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HOBBITFAN13
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Nov 22 2015, 4:55pm
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Do you think An Unexpected Joruney mirrors FOTR, DOS mirrors TTT, and BOFA mirrors ROTK? Which of the Hobbit films do you think captured the wonderful magic of the LOTR trilogy?
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Toukol
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Nov 22 2015, 5:08pm
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ROTK Is probably closest in tone, but it is a set of six evolving chapters of one long movie. If you watch from beginning to end, its starts as a light hearted children's story and grows into more serious adult story as the tale unfolds and the fate of Middle Earth hangs in the balance.
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AshNazg
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Nov 22 2015, 5:08pm
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I think narratively they are similar - books and films.
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AUJ - Prologue > Hobbiton > Setting-off montage > Trolls > Meet Radagast > Chase > Rivendell > Journey montage > Climbing Misty Mountains > Goblin attack > Gandalf fights Goblin King on Bridge > Escape and continuing on > Orcs attack > "The worst is behind us"
FotR - Prologue > Hobbiton > Setting off montage > Ringwraiths > Meet Strider > Chase > Rivendell > Journey montage > Climbing Misty Mountains > Goblin Attack > Gandalf fights Balrog on Bridge > Escape continuing on > Uruks Attack > "Hope the others find a safer road"
If you compare the lists you'll see they mirror each-other pretty closely. There are other obvious comparisons, such as both being journeys to a mountain, both hitting on themes of greed and war and many many other things. The Hobbit has always been the kids' alternative to Lord of the Rings in my eyes. Wish the movies handled it that way.
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AshNazg
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Nov 22 2015, 5:17pm
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Also that mirroring in the two film version...
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Where FotR has Lothlorien and Galadriel, The Hobbit would have had Mirkwood and Thranduil. We would have then ended after the barrel ride and battle, similar to FotR ending after a boat ride and battle.
The comparison's are evidently intentional.
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Ringtir
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Nov 22 2015, 7:44pm
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I tried to make this mirror comparison with these movies, while Auj its very similar to FOTR (the main difference remains in the 30 minutes), But the other two are not similar at all. The amount of plots an epicness in ROTK goes way beyond than the purely main plots on Botfa.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
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Nov 22 2015, 8:42pm
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The structure and events in RotK and BotFA *are* remarkably similar, though
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If we look only at both EE's:
They begin with the primary villain of the second film being killed off (Smaug and Saruman); a gathering of forces to prepare for the largest scale battle in each trilogy (the Battle of the Five Armies and the Siege of Minas Tirith/Battle of the Pelennor Fields); both battles are shown in grand fashion - and they are even similar in length (about 1 hour and 20 minutes); Galadriel returns after a long absence to help a primary character in need; Sauron features most prominently in the third films and is banished then totally defeated, respectively; important characters die during the battles (Fili, Kili, Thorin, and Theoden - the last two are even both kings!); all of our main hobbits endure much hardship and are changed forever; a new king is crowned in Erebor and a new king is crowned in Minas Tirith; and, of course, we see both return journeys.
I admit there isn't a ton similar between DoS and TTT, but there are some things:
They both begin with a chase (the orcs doing the pursuing in one and our heroes doing the hunting in the other); the most important fully-CGI character in both trilogies is shown in his full glory (Smaug and Gollum); Galadriel makes a telepathic cameo; the world's of men are explored and new characters - that will be vital in film three - are introduced; and they both end with a cliffhanger of sorts, Dos with a more obvious one and TTT with more of a mystery ("She could do it...").
[To a corpse] "You're looking so well, darling, you really are. They've done a marvelous job. I don't know what sort of cream they've put on you down at the morgue, but I want some."
- The Grand Budapest Hotel
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Ringtir
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Nov 23 2015, 4:55am
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Prometheus seems to have a lot in common with BOTFA.
- Important characters gets killed.
- Tragic love story
- A creepy character plays mindgames with the others in his own benefit.
- Strange worms appear just in the midsection of the movie.
- Giant humanoid monsters.
- The "leader" is struggling with his backstory.
- Flamethrowing
- The main hero returns to home
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DigificWriter
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Nov 23 2015, 5:04am
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I can definitely see how one would find that AUJ mirrors TFotR, but I personally think DoS is more of a mirror for TRotK than it is for TTT, with TBotFA being more of a mirror for TTT than TRotK.
Having said that, though, there are almost as many things that make each film unique as there are things that cause them to mirror/echo each other.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
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Nov 23 2015, 7:04am
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What in the hell are you talking about? Everything I mentioned is much more specific and less vague/universally applicable as you seem to imply.
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- The Grand Budapest Hotel
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
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Nov 23 2015, 7:08am
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Especially taking into context
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This is the same series. But here, let's get really silly:
- Characters learn a lesson and change
- Something major occurs
- Exciting scenes happen
- It's film three, so the trilogy ends
- The director has a credit at the end
Now that we've covered most movies, maybe take a second gander at the original post? Still as pertinent as it was when first posted.
[To a corpse] "You're looking so well, darling, you really are. They've done a marvelous job. I don't know what sort of cream they've put on you down at the morgue, but I want some."
- The Grand Budapest Hotel
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moreorless
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Nov 23 2015, 8:18am
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I think you see the seeds of the differences even there...
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I tried to make this mirror comparison with these movies, while Auj its very similar to FOTR (the main difference remains in the 30 minutes), But the other two are not similar at all. The amount of plots an epicness in ROTK goes way beyond than the purely main plots on Botfa.
Even back with AUJ I think you can see the seeds of the differences between LOTR and the Hobbit series in Thorins character relative to the Ring as whats driving the story. They both touch on the themes of greed but with Thorin its linked much more into his personal pride and grudge holding.
That is I think the main reason Thorin was so expanded as a character in the Hobbit, I suspect Jackson and co saw him as being able to take the story in a new direction relative to both LOTR AND your typical Hollywood blockbuster fare. Its not just that events at the lonely mountain are played up by that those themes are pushed much more strongly earlier in the story.
(This post was edited by moreorless on Nov 23 2015, 8:20am)
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