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leonmuse
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Nov 1 2014, 6:54pm
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BOTFA Standard Edition OST tracklist unveiled! (Spoilers!)
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Tracklist for BOTFA:
Disc 1:
1 - Fire and Water
2 - Shores of the Long Lake
3 - Beyond Sorrow and Grief
4 - Guardians of the Three
5 - The Ruins of Dale
6 - The Gathering of the Clouds
7 - Mithril
8 - Bred for War
9 - A Thief in the Night
10 - The Clouds Burst
11 - Battle for the Mountain
Disc 2:
1 - The Darkest Hour
2 - Sons of Durin
3 - The Fallen
4 - Ravenhill
5 - To the Death
6 - Courage and Wisdom
7 - The Return Journey
8 - There and Back Again
9 - The Last Goodbye - by Billy Boyd
10 - Ironfoot
Source: Doug Adams's Twitter
Obs: Thanks, SafeUnderHill!
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"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
But, sad or merry, I must leave it now. Farewell."
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SafeUnderHill
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Nov 1 2014, 6:55pm
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This is for the Standard Edition
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The Special Edition track listings have also been released.
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leonmuse
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Nov 1 2014, 7:15pm
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Yeah, let's hope the "Ironfoot" track is misplaced or is an extra track but still included in the main movie in the Prologue! - if there is one! :P
"Obs:" means "observation" lol
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"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
But, sad or merry, I must leave it now. Farewell."
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Arannir
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Nov 1 2014, 7:17pm
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... Thrain indicates that we might actually see Gandalf getting the map/key?
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Nov 1 2014, 7:17pm
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Let's have a closer look (book and DOS EE SPOILERS)
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1 - Fire and Water
--> Obviously Smaugs attack on Lake-Town (title based on the book chapter of the same name)
2 - Shores of the Long Lake
--> This seems to be the scene after the destruction of Lake-Town maybe in the refugee camp?
3 - Beyond Sorrow and Grief
--> Not sure what this is about. Perhaps it's about Bilbo feeling responsible for Lake-towns destruction?
4 - Guardians of the Three
--> Obviously it's a reference to the bearers of the Three Elven Rings of Power (Galadriel, Elrond and Gandalf). So Dol Guldur stuff obviously.
5 - The Ruins of Dale
--> The refugees reaching the ruins of Dale
6 - The Gathering of the Clouds
--> Elves, Men and Dwarves are preparing for war
7 - Mithril
--> Thorin giving the Mithril shirt to Bilbo?
8 - Bred for War
--> Perhaps a scene with Azog and Bolg preparing for war. Maybe even Bolg gathering troops in Mount Gundabad?
9 - A Thief in the Night
--> Bilbo bringing the Arkenstone to Thranduil/Bard
10 - The Clouds Burst
--> Thranduil, Bard and Thorin discussing. Gandalf arrives and telling them about the Orc army
11 - Battle for the Mountain
--> Begin of the Battle
Disc 2:
1 - The Darkest Hour
--> The battle continues and doesn't look so well for the good guys
2 - Sons of Durin
--> Dain arriving with his army from the Iron Hills. Dwarves fighting on the battlefield.
3 - The Fallen
--> I have no idea. Who is "the Fallen"? Thorin? Dain? Beorn? Azog? Sauron? Could be anything and nothing.
4 - Ravenhill
--> Bilbo facing Bolg. Kili for the rescue. Death of Kili and Fili
5 - To the Death
--> Azog vs. Dain and Thorin. Beorn arriving. Death of Azog, death of Bolg.
6 - Courage and Wisdom
--> Last conversation between Bilbo and Thorin before he dies.
7 - The Return Journey
--> Bilbo and Gandalf leaving Erebor for the Shire. Perhaps with a short rest in Beorns house
8 - There and Back Again
--> Bilbo returning home. The auction. So obviously Shire music.
9 - The Last Goodbye - by Billy Boyd
--> Credits Song sung by Billy Boyd obviously
10 - Ironfoot
--> Dains theme for the credits after the song (like "Dreaming of Bag End" is Bilbos theme in AUJ, "Beyond the Forest" is the Elf theme in DOS)
11 - Dragon-sickness (Bonus)
--> Thorin driving mad. Perhaps after he declared war on Elves and Men?
12 - Thrain (Bonus)
--> This is interesting since Thrain died in the DOS EE. Might this be the new music for the additional scenes in Dol Guldur?
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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SafeUnderHill
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Nov 1 2014, 7:21pm
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... Thrain indicates that we might actually see Gandalf getting the map/key?
It's more likely a theme suite, since it comes after the credits than a scene in the film.
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SafeUnderHill
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Nov 1 2014, 7:23pm
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1 - Fire and Water
--> Obviously Smaugs attack on Lake-Town (title based on the book chapter of the same name)
2 - Shores of the Long Lake
--> This seems to be the scene after the destruction of Lake-Town maybe in the refugee camp?
3 - Beyond Sorrow and Grief
--> Not sure what this is about. Perhaps it's about Bilbo feeling responsible for Lake-towns destruction?
4 - Guardians of the Three
--> Obviously it's a reference to the bearers of the Three Elven Rings of Power (Galadriel, Elrond and Gandalf). So Dol Guldur stuff obviously.
5 - The Ruins of Dale
--> The refugees reaching the ruins of Dale
6 - The Gathering of the Clouds
--> Elves, Men and Dwarves are preparing for war
7 - Mithril
--> Thorin giving the Mithril shirt to Bilbo?
8 - Bred for War
--> Perhaps a scene with Azog and Bolg preparing for war. Maybe even Bolg gathering troops in Mount Gundabad?
9 - A Thief in the Night
--> Bilbo bringing the Arkenstone to Thranduil/Bard
10 - The Clouds Burst
--> Thranduil, Bard and Thorin discussing. Gandalf arrives and telling them about the Orc army
11 - Battle for the Mountain
--> Begin of the Battle
Disc 2:
1 - The Darkest Hour
--> The battle continues and doesn't look so well for the good guys
2 - Sons of Durin
--> Dain arriving with his army from the Iron Hills. Dwarves fighting on the battlefield.
3 - The Fallen
--> I have no idea. Who is "the Fallen"? Thorin? Dain? Beorn? Azog? Sauron? Could be anything and nothing.
4 - Ravenhill
--> Bilbo facing Bolg. Kili for the rescue. Death of Kili and Fili
5 - To the Death
--> Azog vs. Dain and Thorin. Beorn arriving. Death of Azog, death of Bolg.
6 - Courage and Wisdom
--> Last conversation between Bilbo and Thorin before he dies.
7 - The Return Journey
--> Bilbo and Gandalf leaving Erebor for the Shire. Perhaps with a short rest in Beorns house
8 - There and Back Again
--> Bilbo returning home. The auction. So obviously Shire music.
9 - The Last Goodbye - by Billy Boyd
--> Credits Song sung by Billy Boyd obviously
10 - Ironfoot
--> Dains theme for the credits after the song (like "Dreaming of Bag End" is Bilbos theme in AUJ, "Beyond the Forest" is the Elf theme in DOS)
11 - Dragon-sickness (Bonus)
--> Thorin driving mad. Perhaps after he declared war on Elves and Men?
12 - Thrain (Bonus)
--> This is interesting since Thrain died in the DOS EE. Might this be the new music for the additional scenes in Dol Guldur?
Could we please keep DOS EE spoilers out of this! Or at least give a spoiler warning. You just ruined something that seems pretty major for me (seeing as it's not released physically yet).
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leonmuse
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Nov 1 2014, 7:25pm
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The Special Edition switches "Ironfoot" around so that it's number 9 other than 10 and there's two other tracks:
Dragon-Sickness
Thrain
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7 The Return Journey
8 There and Back Again
9 Ironfoot
10 The Last Goodbye - By Billy Boyd
11 Dragon-Sickness
12 Thrain
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"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
But, sad or merry, I must leave it now. Farewell."
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Nov 1 2014, 7:36pm
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Sorry I thought my spoiler warning was enough but obviously it wasn't. I changed my subject from "book SPOILERS" to "book and DOS EE SPOILERS". Fine?
BTW: Is it a real spoiler? I didn't say anything about the way he will meet his end. But the fact that he is going to die isn't a movie spoiler at all since he dies in the books as well. That's why I thought "book SPOILER" would do it's job. I'm sorry that I destroyed something for you. But if you haven't seen the DOS EE yet why are you even reading a spoilery topic like this new tracklist of the BOTFA soundtrack?
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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Arannir
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Nov 1 2014, 7:39pm
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İ think Dain arrives during the negotiations between Thorin and Thranduil/Bard.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Mithlond
Nov 1 2014, 7:42pm
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I was guessing that "Ironfoot" (Dains theme in BOTFA) would perhaps be the third movies second credit song. Just like "Dreaming of Bag End" (Bilbos theme in AUJ) and "Beyond the Forest" (Woodland theme in DOS) were. But the fact that's no located BEFORE Billy Boyds song makes me wonder. Perhaps it's not a credit song at all but a BOTFA EE scene?
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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SafeUnderHill
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Nov 1 2014, 7:44pm
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Sorry I thought my spoiler warning was enough but obviously it wasn't. I changed my subject from "book SPOILERS" to "book and DOS EE SPOILERS". Fine?
BTW: Is it a real spoiler? I didn't say anything about the way he will meet his end. But the fact that he is going to die isn't a movie spoiler at all since he dies in the books as well. That's why I thought "book SPOILER" would do it's job. I'm sorry that I destroyed something for you. But if you haven't seen the DOS EE yet why are you even reading a spoilery topic like this new tracklist of the BOTFA soundtrack?
Not the DOS EE. I just like seeing initial reactions. I tend to avoid people speculating on what the tracks mean, but I thought I'd see what you made of the Thrain bonus track (deliberately not reading the other ones). I regret doing so.
Don't worry about it though, it was more my fault than yours.
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Nov 1 2014, 8:10pm
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That's how it is in the books but in the movies?
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I'm not quite sure about that. I guess Dain arrives a little bit later. Perhaps after the first wave of Orc attacks and before the second. Remembering the storming war rams with the Dwarves on them from the trailer? If they arrive before the real battle begins why this storming? If I remember it correctly Dale will be sorrounded by Orcs and Goblins. There is no possibility for these war rams to storm in such a formation from a hill like they do in the trailer.
That's why I believe they will attack and defeat Azogs first wave of attacks but obviously it's not the last. There will be more attacks of Orc waves. Just like they did in ROTK:
Wave 1: Orcs, Nazgûl, Trolls, Easterlings and evil creatures --> Gondorians
Wave 2: Rohirrim, Gondorians --> Orcs, Nazgûl, Trolls, Easterlings and more evil creatures
Wave 3: Haradrim, Orcs, Nazgûl, Trolls, Easterlings and more evil creatures --> Rohirrim, Gondorians
Wave 4: Army of the Dead, Rohirrim, Gondorians --> Haradrim, Orcs, Nazgûl, Trolls, Easterlings and evil creatures
Wave 1: Men, Elves --> Thorin & Co
Wave 2: Orcs, Goblins, Trolls, Wargs and evil creatures --> Men, Elves, Thorin & Co
Wave 3: Dwarves, Men, Elves, Thorin & Co --> Orcs, Goblins, Trolls, Wargs and evil creatures
Wave 4: More Orcs, Goblins, Trolls, Wargs and evil creatures --> Dwarves, Men, Elves, Thorin & Co
Wave 5: Eagles, Dwarves, Men, Elves, Thorin & Co --> Orcs, Goblins, Trolls, Wargs and evil creatures
Wave 6: Bats, Orcs, Goblins, Trolls, Wargs and evil creatures --> Eagles, Dwarves, Men, Elves, Thorin & Co
Wave 7: Beorn, Eagles, Dwarves, Men, Elves, Thorin & Co --> Bats, Orcs, Goblins, Trolls, Wargs and evil creatures
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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Spriggan
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Nov 1 2014, 8:17pm
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Why would we need to see that?
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What difference could it make where Gandalf is when he gets them or whether he is wearing his hat or not? I can't see what else we could possibly learn.
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Arannir
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Nov 1 2014, 8:35pm
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"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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KeenObserver
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Nov 2 2014, 12:49am
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. . . a prologue may be reserved for the extended edition.
If a prologue has been excluded from the theatrical version, it's probably because it involves Thráin. I would venture to guess that it is the scene where Gandalf receives the map and key from Thorin's father.
Serving as a prologue, this momentous bestowal of two vital items—which ultimately enables the quest and sets everything in motion—could put things into perspective and set the tone. However, since a lot of the Thráin material has been exclusive to the EEs, PJ may believe that this scene should follow suit. And even though such a scene would be acceptable for the general audience, he probably feels like this 'thriller' will do well to skip a prologue and jump right into the action.
Anyway, the track list looks/sounds good enough—although I think Elutherian's guess list looks/sounds better . It is, of course, reassuring to see tracks titled: "The Return Journey" and "There and Back Again".
Even so, just from going through the track list, the feeling or perception that I derive from it is akin to PJ's comment from a recent interview: “It’s very snappy, it’s got very short scenes, it whizzes along,”.
”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin
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Dcole4
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Nov 2 2014, 12:51am
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The track "Thrain" I think pretty much confirms that. I guess no meeting of the 7 clans. :(
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KeenObserver
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Nov 2 2014, 2:47am
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I read your suppositional post about a possible prologue in the other thread.
Like you, I arrived at the same conclusion that there might be a left over prologue due to the three-film split and the shooting of the 'Chance-Meeting' scene during pick-ups.
I didn't mention the possible inclusion of the seven-clan meeting as a prologue in my own suppositional post because another poster (Cirashala) had explained—in an older thread—that such a scene couldn't have been shot or included because the filmmakers apparently don't have the rights to that material.
Although I like the idea as much as you do, I have essentially written it off.
”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin
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DjU
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Nov 2 2014, 2:53am
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The track "Thrain" I think pretty much confirms that. I guess no meeting of the 7 clans. :(
Really not sure how you can "confirm" anything from that particular track name!? At the moment with no other actual facts to go on it could equally be that the track is a suite of Thrain related material and that some of it is from the DoS:EE and has merely been added to the Special Edition as a Bonus Track, now that the EE has been released.
You made equally bold claims in another thread about how 2 part movie that TABA would have "definitely" had a prologue, and that there is now some unseen prologue. Whilst that could be true we don't yet "know" that. As it ultimately ignores the others options that a) it may of not had one! or b) they hadn't yet filmed one - they may have planned to film one in the Pickups all along or it may have been deferred from main shooting block when the had to spend time retooling to a trilogy.
TTT only got a prologue during pick-ups when they hade the idea of the Gandalf & Balrog flashback/dream decide they were still toying with a 'previously on LOTR' type prologue.
ROTK ultimately inherited its prologue from a scene from TTT - the Smeagol & Deagol scene wasn't written specially for a prologue it was meant for the Dead Marshes. If they hadn't of move that we would never know what they may have planned here.
AUJ didn't nearly have an End credit song, they only decided that quite late in the day, in about September 2012. So you can't guarantee that TABA "definitely" had a prologue.
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mae govannen
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Nov 2 2014, 10:58am
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I am overjoyed already by the few I immediately noticed while reading the titles!...
Thank you in advance, dear Howard Shore and everyone else who participated in making these tracks...
'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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Nov 2 2014, 11:34am
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♪♫ could have made you their daughter! ♫♪ ;)
Joking aside, I'm more intrigued with the Guardians of the Three. Be nice if there's a mention of Cirdan passing on his ring to Gandalf even if it becomes a EE extra. That in itself is a big deal especially for a Wizard bearing one.
I do not want what it is not mine.... I only want what comes from within....
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Wonderful spoilers indeed!!!
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