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Never_Underestimate_A_Dwarf
Ossiriand
Nov 18 2015, 11:48am
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Commentary Question...
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Do they talk about any alternate plans they had for Ravenhill/the death scenes? Did they have insight into the Durin deaths and why they decided to do what they did?
Justice for Fili
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Toukol
Nevrast
Nov 18 2015, 1:55pm
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They do not really talk about that much at all.
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lionoferebor
Nargothrond
Nov 18 2015, 2:05pm
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Here is what PJ says about the Durin deaths...
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To answer your question, I listened and took notes on the commentaries for all three death scenes. I did not listen to any commentaries between scenes. I'll do that later when I have time.
Paraphrasing (without my opinions), starting with Fili-
PJ: This was a disturbing scene to film. I always joked about killing a dwarf in the 3rd film...but after two almost three films with these guys to actually start shooting the death scenes was not easy...At this point the story has turned into personal revenge and you almost forget there is a battle going on, that Middle Earth is at stake, because it's collapsed into this personal revenge story.
Kili -
PJ: This was a fight we didn't want to play like Kili had any chance at all. That he's hot headed and trying to save Tauriel, but he knows he's got no hope...It's a love story and it's the end of the love story. Also it's an immortal elf witnessing death, something she has seen much of in her life.
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PJ: Thorin knows he has a way to kill Azog, but it's at the expense of his own life and he has to make that choice. Though, I guess, he does not have much of a choice.
That's pretty much what PJ says about each death scene. As I said before, when I have more time, I'll listen to the commentaries between scenes...perhaps there is more said on why the deaths occurred at Ravenhill instead of the battlefield.
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Never_Underestimate_A_Dwarf
Ossiriand
Nov 18 2015, 3:00pm
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I didn't really expect much more, but I was very curious. At least he admits it was disturbing.
Kind of disheartening to hear that Kili's death is basically the "end of a love story." Sad that his character got reduced to that.
Justice for Fili
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miko
Ossiriand
Nov 18 2015, 4:12pm
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They explain they decided to move Thorin's death scene from a tent in Dale (as in the book) to Ravenhill so that there would be the possibility of Bilbo saving Thorin (instead of how it is in the book, when Bilbo sees Thorin only after the consensus is that Thorin is going to die from his wounds). The scene was also moved to Ravenhill so that only Bilbo would be present. They don't talk about this, but: once they relocated Thorin's death scene, they had to move Fili's and Kili's death scenes, too. So Fili's and Kili's non-canon death scenes were a result of changing Thorin's death scene.
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lionoferebor
Nargothrond
Nov 18 2015, 4:48pm
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I can't edit it now, but my original post I wrote that PJ said in re to Tauriel, "...it's an immortal elf witnessing death, something she has seen much of in her life." It should read...something she has not seen much of in her life.
I didn't really expect much more, but I was very curious. At least he admits it was disturbing. To be honest, it's more than I had hoped for. I really expected PJ and PB to talk straight through Fili's death, perhaps about Legolas and the bat or something else not pertaining to the scene. 
Kind of disheartening to hear that Kili's death is basically the "end of a love story." Sad that his character got reduced to that. Disheartening, but based on his storyline it's not surprising.
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DainPig
Mithlond
Nov 18 2015, 5:13pm
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Kind of disheartening to hear that Kili's death is basically the "end of a love story." Sad that his character got reduced to that.
Well, Kili's body is at the funeral, the dwarves all look sadly to him and there's no mention of the love story at this point, Tauriel is not even there.
How aaaaaaaaaaaaaare you all???
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Goldeneye
Menegroth
Nov 18 2015, 5:31pm
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I hadn't heard that before (about Thorin's death scene being in a tent). I wonder if that was actually shot? Same with Fili and Kili's death scenes? It makes sense though...the shot of all the dwarves bowing before Thorin's body is 100% CGI. So they likely made this change late in production and decided it would be difficult to bring the whole dwarf crew back for just a few shots.
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DainPig
Mithlond
Nov 18 2015, 5:38pm
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in a certain point of BOTFA trailer, Thranduil says to Gandalf: You will forgive me...
They are in a tent. I really thought they are near Thorin's body when I saw it.
How aaaaaaaaaaaaaare you all???
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LSF
Mithlond
Nov 18 2015, 5:40pm
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"You started this, you will forgive me if I finish it." which is before the battle even starts
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DainPig
Mithlond
Nov 18 2015, 5:44pm
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I saw the trailer before the movie's release, so I thought they were near Thorin's body (at the same tent.)
But, yeah, this line really would not make sense at this point of the movie  "..if I finish it." well, you not even started it 
How aaaaaaaaaaaaaare you all???
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LSF
Mithlond
Nov 18 2015, 6:07pm
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Don't think tent death was filmed
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Thorin/Fili/Kili dying at Ravenhill was filmed in the 2013 pickups, as was everything else to do with the battle. The way they talk about the tent death in the commentary was "that happened in the book, but we didn't want that, and here's why." It sounded like they never wanted to do it, and certainly not to the point where they filmed it.
As for the digital mourning Company, since there were no 2014 pickups, and if they had not filmed it the year before, they had to be digital. If they had thought to do it with the real actors, they still had all the actors during the 2013 pickups.
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Avandel
Gondolin
Nov 18 2015, 7:11pm
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Kind of disheartening to hear that Kili's death is basically the "end of a love story." Sad that his character got reduced to that.
Well, Kili's body is at the funeral, the dwarves all look sadly to him and there's no mention of the love story at this point, Tauriel is not even there.
*Snigger*. That's what happens when a great, groundbreaking "love story" is cobbled together between two characters where one character actually flees at one point and is unconscious for a good part of the direct interaction .
Anyway, I don't watch the funeral, have too many issues like Thranduil not being there, and lately it's bothering me that Thorin would never, EVER hold anything like that - his hand position holding the Arkenstone. I know they did that for the shot, but nobody is laid to rest like that. Why couldn't they have done things by the book here...it was only two more actors for the scene. *Sigh*.
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CathrineB
Nargothrond
Nov 18 2015, 11:19pm
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Kind of disheartening to hear that Kili's death is basically the "end of a love story." Sad that his character got reduced to that. Well, Kili's body is at the funeral, the dwarves all look sadly to him and there's no mention of the love story at this point, Tauriel is not even there.
How they can call that a lovestory with a straight face is impressive...
Nice to know they think it was better to ditch the brotherly bond in favor of that thing. Kili might have died to save Tauriel, but belong with his brother too so that's where he's going *nods to self*
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