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DainPig
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Dec 11 2015, 7:25pm
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"By Durin!" - Bofur
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If Bofur is not from the line of Durin, so why does he says "by Durin, you've lost your axe!" ?
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Riven Delve
Dor-Lomin
Dec 11 2015, 7:31pm
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I don't really understand that usage either
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Swearing by Durin happens a couple of times in the EE. It's odd, because it's not as though Durin is a god of some kind to swear by...although as Tolkien said, the Dwarves have "many strange tales and beliefs" about Durin the Deathless... (Appendix A III, Durin's Folk).
“Tollers,” Lewis said to Tolkien, “there is too little of what we really like in stories. I am afraid we shall have to try and write some ourselves.”
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LSF
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Dec 11 2015, 7:32pm
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Durin is an important figure in Dwarf history, regardless of whether you're descended from him or not? It's just an expression, not different from saying "oh my god," even if you're not Christian or religious. Durin is a big deal in their culture, so why wouldn't they have expressions like that, which everybody might use.
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Dec 11 2015, 8:34pm
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The House of Bifur, Bofur and Bombur
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There is a belief that Bifur, Bofur and Bombur belong to the House of Durin even if they are not in his line of descent. My personal view is that they were probably descended from Dwarves of the Blue Mountains (Broadbeams?) that came to dwell in Khazad-dûm after the fall of the Dwarf-cities of Belegost and Nogrod.
"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
- Dream of the Endless
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DanielLB
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Dec 11 2015, 9:23pm
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An exclamation of surprise ...
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akin to "by jove". That's what I presumed. Fits better than "by God" or "by Eru".
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Bumblingidiot
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Dec 11 2015, 10:49pm
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Holy mackeral, jumping Jehoshaphat (sp??) etc.
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None of them make much sense unless you know the etymology. And I seem to remember Batman's sidekick used to come up with a suitable phrase for virtually any occasion. It's just the way language works. If a dwarf has a saying, there'll be a reason for it, but they won't tell you what it is, because they're like that.
"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear."
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MyWeeLadGimli
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Dec 12 2015, 6:05am
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I wish someone had said "By the beard of Durin!" in the movie, since that was a wonderfully silly exclamation straight from the book.
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Riven Delve
Dor-Lomin
Dec 12 2015, 12:03pm
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The phrase both Balin and Dain use is "Durin be with you."
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Again, that seems odd to me, but maybe, as others have said, it's more of a cultural expression and not intended to be a literal invocation.
“Tollers,” Lewis said to Tolkien, “there is too little of what we really like in stories. I am afraid we shall have to try and write some ourselves.”
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balbo biggins
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Dec 12 2015, 1:32pm
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cmon people , Durins importance in tolkiens history of the dwarves is basic stuff, i think a bit of book reading is in order!
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Susan
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Dec 13 2015, 3:09am
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Maybe similar to referencing Jesus?
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Like "Jesus Christ," or "for Christ's sake."
Also, "Great Scott," came from General Winfield Scott? That's interesting, I never would have guessed.
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moreorless
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Dec 16 2015, 5:29am
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akin to "by jove". That's what I presumed. Fits better than "by God" or "by Eru".
Eru isn't ever mentioned by name in LOTR or the Hobbit as far as I remember nore is Aule so Jackson could not have legally referenced them in his films.
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