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Blkcpt
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Nov 21 2013, 2:43am
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Bilbo being knocked out
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If I remember correctly they never explain who or what or how bilbo gets knocked out at the battle of the five armies. Then I remembered a person that likes using rocks to knock people out.... Gollum. He used a rock to knock Sam out and used a rock to knock out a goblin in AUJ...there might be a few other instances but I can't recall them. Could gollum have followed Bilbo to the BOTFA and waited for his chance to strike Bilbo only to be interrupted somehow? Or has this already been explained?
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StoneHex104
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Nov 21 2013, 2:50am
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You would have to reread the book again.
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 They do explain that the eagles started dropping boulders into the battlefield, and so a boulder hit Bilbo's head (protected by an orc helmet of course) and he gets knocked out... if I recall correctly.
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Blkcpt
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Nov 21 2013, 2:54am
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It's been at least five years since I read it. I think the gollum senario would be neater than friendly fire. Aaaand it would be a good tie in to show how addicted gollum is to the ring
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StoneHex104
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Nov 21 2013, 3:23am
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I agree it would, but I think they would have shot him in plain sight
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Nira
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Nov 21 2013, 4:11am
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An orc threw a rock from atop the mountain and it hit him in the head
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No orc helmet in the book, if I recall correctly...would be too big anyway. He had the ring on, but was shouting that the eagles had arriveed.
"Why, to think of it, we're in the same tale still! It's going on. Don't the great tales never end?" -Samwise
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StoneHex104
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Nov 21 2013, 5:03am
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Ahh but you have to read it correctly
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A falling stone (caused by the rocks the eagles were throwing on the cliffs at the goblins caused a boudler to fall on his head). And he did have an orc helmet, otherwise how did the orc helmet end up at bag end in the beginning of AUJ? And if he didn't have any he would have been knocked out of his own life.
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Kathuphazgân
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Nov 21 2013, 5:36am
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Where does this notion that he had an orc helmet come from?
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When Thorin gives Bilbo the coat of Mithril mail, along with it went a helm of figure leather. Bilbo's helm is of Dwarvish manufacture.
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Nira
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Nov 21 2013, 5:46am
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Of course, that makes more sense. But it could have been a
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prank gift hidden in one of the chests by Bofur. Bilbo didn't realize it until he got back to Bag End.
Or it was used to take up space so Bilbo got less gold. Tauriel to blame?
If Bilbo can survive a fall hundreds of feet within a mountain onto a thin layer of magic mushrooms, then he can take a magic rock to the head without an orc helmet.
"Why, to think of it, we're in the same tale still! It's going on. Don't the great tales never end?" -Samwise
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TheBeerBaron
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Nov 21 2013, 8:45am
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Lol, I get that you're being sarcastic, but I laughed at the knee-jerk blame Tauriel reaction! :)
I reckon it's just a souvenir though.
Imagine if PJ had shot the final battle as it is in the book with Bilbo passing out (ŕ la the Tyrion Lannister in a major battle in GoT). Imagine how cheated we would all feel, even though technically it would be canon.
Edit: meaning that we didn't actually get to see any/most of the battle and just cut straight to the aftermath.
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Bombadil
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Nov 21 2013, 9:05am
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Bilbo is our Point-Of-View Character
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So maybe he gets Stuck
and can only
Watch from High on Ravenhill?
Once over..
discovered
like in the Book
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Yngwulff
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Nov 21 2013, 9:45am
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He got a light helm when Thorin gave him the mithril shirt
“I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 21 2013, 4:01pm
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Bilbo is probably not getting knocked unconscious
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At least, Bilbo is not getting knocked out until the battle is nearly over. It was revealed during production that Bilbo would be a bit more active during the Battle of Five Armies and I have no reason to think that this has been altered.
Bilbo probably would not have survived a direct hit from an Eagle-dropped boulder. He was probably struck by shrapnel or by a rock dropped or thrown by a goblin.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Eruvandi
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Nov 21 2013, 4:52pm
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Actually, I thought they said the opposite...
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I thought they said Bilbo DIDNT have much of a role to play in Bo5a and I'm fine with that. As brave as he is becoming, there's only so much he could do in a battle of that magnitude. I think that's why Tolkien wrote that he put the Ring on, turned invisible and then was knocked out, because that was the only way to keep him from being killed. I suppose it's possible we'll see him do a little more than he did in the book but I think he'll get knocked out pretty early on.
We're in agreement that he shouldn't be knocked out by and Eagle-dropped boulder though. If they do that in the movie, people will complain it was unrealistic and should have crushed him. They'll need a more realistic way to knock him out such as the things you suggested.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 21 2013, 5:03pm
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No. Bilbo's role was definitely supposed to be expanded
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I cannot say, though, if that is still the case.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Eruvandi
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Nov 21 2013, 5:33pm
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Then I wonder what it is they will have him do?
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IdrilofGondolin
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Nov 21 2013, 5:52pm
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If the final scene between Bilbo and Thorin is to play out the way it did in the book, then Bilbo will not have witnessed Thorin's final battle with Bolg. This could be changed, I suppose. Bilbo sees it from afar and runs to Thorin's tent as he is carried off the battlefield. But in the book, Bilbo is lost and no one knows where he is. Gandalf as sent someone to look for him, and it is only after he takes the ring off that he is found. It would be a nice touch if we were concerned about Bilbo's whereabouts and whether he will get to Thorin in time.
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