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Oin is a punny guy
 

Finrod
Rohan


Dec 24 2011, 2:24am

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Oin is a punny guy Can't Post

The reason that Oin has the hearing issue is because Guillermo del Toro is a native Spanish speaker, and he’s trying to be funny. The Spanish oyen means “they hear”, from the infinitive oir.

I bet you anything that Guillermo found Oin and oyen too alike to pass up making a multilingual pun with.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Dec 24 2011, 2:27am

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You learn something new everyday! [In reply to] Can't Post

Interesting tidbit, it sounds probable. Thanks for pointing that out.

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Dec 24 2011, 2:31am

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Yes, Del Toro seems to have been a fan of playing on puns in the dwarves' designs... [In reply to] Can't Post

He mentioned the thorny helmet that Thorin wears being because he;s called Thorin and it sounds like thorn. It seems he's just thought of every single pun in each name and tried to attribute that into the look of the dwarf... unfortunately for some reason this also meant ignoring the actual descriptions in the book, but whatever.

Bifur has a black and white beard because Bi-fur sounds like it means 2 furs. It can also mean cloven, which explains his head injury and we've seen that Thorin holds an Oaken Shield in one of the diaries...


(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Dec 24 2011, 2:32am)


redgiraffe
Rohan

Dec 24 2011, 2:47am

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I wonder if anyone has a problem with Oin's hearing aid [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm sure some people think it's stupid but I think it's a cool little addition to the character. I, personally, feel the same way about Bifor's axe in the head.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


Finrod
Rohan


Dec 24 2011, 3:09am

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I'm sure some people think it's stupid but I think it's a cool little addition to the character. I, personally, feel the same way about Bifor's axe in the head.


Until you realize it's a pun for being bifurcated.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Dec 24 2011, 3:38am

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I don't see what's wrong with that [In reply to] Can't Post

Hearing issues are very believable problem for an elderly miner, the hearing horn looks nice, and the whole thing is a simple way of making him unique both visually and in behaviour. I say it's rather clever. So what if it's a wordplay?

<3 Gandy, Raddy, Sharkey, Ally & Pally <3


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Dec 24 2011, 3:39am

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Besides, we already established Bofur is the bunny. :D // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

<3 Gandy, Raddy, Sharkey, Ally & Pally <3


Balin88
The Shire


Dec 24 2011, 4:52am

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Anyone [In reply to] Can't Post

Anyone else think that if Del Toro had still been in control that this movie would seem to be a joke !


titanium_hobbit
Rohan


Dec 24 2011, 6:33am

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Oakenshield [In reply to] Can't Post

Isn't that bad, considering that it's an honorific of sorts, for his bravery in using an oak branch as a shield during the goblin/dwarf wars.

Hobbit firster, Book firster.


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Dec 24 2011, 9:12am

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He's not the first dwarf to have an ear trumpet... [In reply to] Can't Post

Trumpkin the Narnian dwarf had one in his old age.

Silverlode



"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


flodwyns
Bree

Dec 24 2011, 12:31pm

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oh yes! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm afraid that little thought sneaked into my brain too......


Bladerunner
Gondor


Dec 24 2011, 1:23pm

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Ori sounds like "Orar" in Spanish, which means "Pray," which would explain his monk-like appearance.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Dec 24 2011, 2:39pm

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Oooh, nice find! [In reply to] Can't Post

I must say I like the wordplays. You can just imagine how they have sitted down and started throwing around ideas for basic design ideas.

PJ, I expect you've documented the whole progress on video!

<3 Gandy, Raddy, Sharkey, Ally & Pally <3


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Dec 24 2011, 2:58pm

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Yep, a complete joke, just like 'The Devil's Backbone'. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Finrod
Rohan


Dec 24 2011, 3:01pm

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Amaizingly corny Dwarven idiosyncracies [In reply to] Can't Post

I think you're spot on about Ori having a monastic look (“Exaudi orationem meam”, and all) reflecting his name’s connection to Spanish orar, to pray. He’s the Company’s scribe, too, which is in keeping with a monachal avocation. There is a Twengwa letter named ore, too, which is normally one of the rhotics (the other being romen). I just hope he doesn’t go arrrr! like a pirate a lot.

I guess we should also count our blessings that Bombur doesn't sport a bomber jacket or like to play with explosives, and that Nori doesn’t look like he has seaweed in his hair from all the nori-wrapped sushi.

Hm, perhaps Dori will sleep a lot, from dormant, dormitory, and Spanish dormir. Or he will have a taste for fish, from Spanish dorado, the Spanish name for the fish we in English now call “mahi-mahi” (that is, Coryphaena hippurus), but which we once called “dolphinfish” back before it got remarketed with a nonmammalian name.

Then again, El Dorado as a fabled land flowing with gold is pretty much in keeping with Dwarven dreams, so that could work, too.

Hard not to think of all this as being amaizingly corny, though. Oh well. :)

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




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Niniel Valinor
Rivendell


Dec 24 2011, 3:02pm

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This is very random [In reply to] Can't Post

But I find Oin the scariest dwarf Laugh Love that he appearently hears bad (or is really really drunk....) Evil

"Many that live deserve death, and some that die deserve life."


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Dec 24 2011, 3:18pm

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Sometimes that's how imagination works [In reply to] Can't Post

And boy, they have had to use so much imagination. With many of the Dwarves they have had no starting point at all for their personalities. So random mental connections brought by the sound of the names have been one source of getting started. As the results are this good, I'm not complaining.

<3 Gandy, Raddy, Sharkey, Ally & Pally <3


Finrod
Rohan


Dec 24 2011, 4:34pm

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Kili the Killer [In reply to] Can't Post

I bet Kili will be a real killer in combat.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Dec 24 2011, 4:57pm

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But in Spanish to kill is "matar". Doesn't sound like Kíli. [In reply to] Can't Post

I have no doubt he's going to be a killer though. There's enough Goblings for all of us, may the best Dwarf win!

<3 Gandy, Raddy, Sharkey, Ally & Pally <3


Finrod
Rohan


Dec 24 2011, 5:10pm

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Pues [In reply to] Can't Post

Pues, sí. No estoy dicidendo que todas las alusiones vengan del castellano. After all, Guillermo speaks English, too. Será una mezcla de ambas lenguas. The thing is there are nearly as many Spanish speakers in the world as English speakers, so it’s not like this is la mar de sutil, ¿sabes? :)

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Dec 24 2011, 6:40pm

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Whatever the case [In reply to] Can't Post

If it bothers you, I'm sorry for that. But it's also one of those cases where one can freely choose wether he wants to be bothered or not.

<3 Gandy, Raddy, Sharkey, Ally & Pally <3


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Dec 25 2011, 12:24am

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With all these puns I still cannot figure out Nori's Star head... [In reply to] Can't Post

Nori is Japanese for Belief. It also means crazy in another language (I forget which) So that's good to know.


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Dec 25 2011, 1:28am

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It doesn't have to be a direct pun of his name, but [In reply to] Can't Post

a visual pun of him having a "rock star" kind of personality. If that makes any sense... Crazy

<3 Gandy, Raddy, Sharkey, Ally & Pally <3

 
 
 

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