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Omnigeek
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Apr 28 2016, 12:10am
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A younger Sam Elliott is an excellent choice
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I always pictured Bard as being in his late 30s, early 40s. Grim, taciturn, extremely dedicated. Descended from a long line of nobles but not hung up on the status of his antecedents. Sam Elliott's portrayal of Brig Gen Buford in "Gettysburg" is EXACTLY how I pictured Bard (albeit a tad younger). Bard wasn't a rogue; as I said, I felt that change of character was a bit of a political statement from one of the writers.
I felt the R-B cartoon portrayal of Bard was spot-on. I hated the ugly Elves and thought the orcs were drawn ridiculously but they got Gandalf, Bard, and the dwarves perfectly -- plus, they absolutely NAILED the spirit of the story in less than 90 minutes. I'd have liked for them to do it as a two-parter so it could have included Beorn and expand on a few sequences but no need for it to be 6-8 hours or make up stuff about a love triangle or pursuit by a long-dead Orc.
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wizzardly
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Apr 28 2016, 1:27am
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I agree. The Rankin/Bass film is often dismissed, but it is in truth the closest thing we have to a faithful adaptation of the book. And it handles the death of Smaug far more eloquently than PJ's try hard emotional cringe-fest.
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dormouse
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Apr 28 2016, 8:03am
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Well, I couldn't disagree more with that on all points.....
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I'd say there is only one really close adaptation of the book The Hobbit in existence and it's the BBC radio drama in eight half-hour episodes.
For me the cartoon is just that - a cartoon which preserves nothing of the beauty and magic of the original.
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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Noria
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Apr 28 2016, 12:18pm
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Though I can’t really argue about the RB cartoon in any detail because I loathed it and have pretty much put it out of my mind. That’s what I do with things I don’t like.
I do remember that the cartoon was ugly and absolutely ludicrous in places.
I also think that Sam Eliot, even a younger version, is too American. I can’t see him even as a quasi European like some of the American actors in LotR. Come to think of it, that’s one of the things I disliked about the RB Hobbit: the accents.
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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 28 2016, 1:49pm
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Good adaptations of The Hobbit
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I'd say there is only one really close adaptation of the book The Hobbit in existence and it's the BBC radio drama in eight half-hour episodes.
I would add to that: 1) The Mind's Eye full-cast audio drama that aired on NPR (although its Elrond sounded like an old, country doctor and the Elves of Rivendell were a bit twee. I really liked this version of the Dwarves' "Misty Mountains" song; 2) the graphic novel adaptation serialized by Eclipse Comics and still in print as a trade paperback.
And, to keep things on-topic, Bard was portrayed in those adaptations exactly as Tolkien wrote him.
"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
- Dream of the Endless
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dormouse
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Apr 28 2016, 1:52pm
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Fair enough - I don't know that one
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(NB - I said the BBC was the only really close adaptation - not the only good one!)
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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No One in Particular
Menegroth
Apr 28 2016, 1:54pm
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I'd say there is only one really close adaptation of the book The Hobbit in existence and it's the BBC radio drama in eight half-hour episodes. I would add to that: 1) The Mind's Eye full-cast audio drama that aired on NPR (although its Elrond sounded like an old, country doctor and the Elves of Rivendell were a bit twee. I really liked this version of the Dwarves' "Misty Mountains" song; 2) the graphic novel adaptation serialized by Eclipse Comics and still in print as a trade paperback.
Well, Bombadil made it into the Mind's Eye LoTR, and it's worth noting for that. :)
I also liked the Dwarf Song from the Mind's Eye Hobbit. In fact, that was my first introduction to broadcast media versions of the story. I listened to that before I saw either of the RB cartoons. (I had already read the books though.)
While you live, shine
Have no grief at all
Life exists only for a short while
And time demands an end.
Seikilos Epitaph
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wizzardly
Nargothrond
Apr 28 2016, 10:59pm
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The BBC radio production is very good, as well as Nicol Williamson's audiobook I might add. But I meant the Rankin/Bass Hobbit is the best film version of Tolkien's story.
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dormouse
Gondolin
Apr 29 2016, 12:04pm
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Thing is, I think it's terrible. The Hobbit meets Bugs Bunny...
I agree with you about Nicol Williamson. I have that on *cough* records. Or vinyl as they say these days. But I tend to think of that as a reading rather than an adaptation. In the same class as the unabridged audiobook, except that it's abridged.
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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wizzardly
Nargothrond
Apr 29 2016, 7:52pm
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I once was a bit more judgemental on the Rankin/Bass Hobbits lesser points, however PJs version has made me look upon it with a new found affection. At the very least, you can clearly see from the color of the dwarves hoods, right down to composing music to Tolkien's poems and songs, that adapting the book in both appearance and spirit was at the forefront of their intentions. It has the lighter nature of a childrens story, and handles the darker aspects of the story with a subtlety that PJ simply does not grasp. It's not perfect, but then, I don't believe any adaptation can ever be perfect. But, between the two choices we have, the Rankin/Bass version remains my go to.
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Eleniel
Dor-Lomin
May 1 2016, 7:23am
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I would still rate the 1979 BBC Jackanory dramatic reading higher...
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Even if it is abridged, it still contains a great deal of the original narrative and avoids the mispronounciations and annoying musical interludes of the 1968 radio dramatization.
Just a shame only the audio is available and not the video of the actors presenting it...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/...olkien/dp/1471358372
"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort
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dormouse
Gondolin
May 1 2016, 7:26am
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...but will investigate - thanks!
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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Hamfast Gamgee
Dor-Lomin
May 3 2016, 6:34pm
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That The Hobbit would have been on Jackanory at some time!
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Eleniel
Dor-Lomin
May 3 2016, 6:58pm
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Not just any Jackanory but the celebratory 3000th episode!
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Unfortunately the Tolkien Estate have never authorized the video to be released, apparently, so the only visual trace left is this snippet of the BBC continuity into and out of the third episode, which gives a glimpse of how the story was presented :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP4wy9J14cg
"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort
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