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nymmerod
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Oct 28 2015, 6:42pm
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Did anybody else wish they had included the novel's visit of Balin and Gandalf at the end of the film?
I think it would have been a nice opportunity for some brief wrap up. They could have spoken of Bard rebuilding Dale, the re-founding of Laketown, the friendship of men, dwarves, and elves in that region, Dain as King under the mountain. Maybe even drop hints of the future quest to reclaim Moria. Or even get really crazy and use it to give some wrap up on Radagast the Brown or Tauriel or Beorn.
I guess with how they wanted to have the ending with Old Bilbo on the party day, it probably would've felt like 2 endings. But I still am sad at a missed moment.
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DainPig
Mithlond
Oct 28 2015, 6:59pm
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Before the release of the thetrical movie
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I was really expecting to see this scene.
Grey haired Martin Freeman 
How aaaaaaaaaaaaaare you all???
The pig, the life, the bacon
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malickfan
Mithlond
Oct 28 2015, 7:14pm
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...I'm still not sure how I stand on this.
On the one hand, it would certainly have been a fun thing to see (and more of Ken Stott's Balin is always a good thing), but it wasn't necessary at all to the story in the films, even in the EE I think structurally, it would be redundant.
-in the book it's a nice coda and fits the tone of the story, but BOFTA (from memory, only seen it once) has quite a sudden brutal ending in comparison and was already dropping in hints and building to the wider story and climax in LOTR, in the film it doesn't really fit with Old Bilbo and after the brutal fighting of the battles, it may seem like a bit of a anti climax.
...would make a neat hidden easter egg for the Ultimate Editions though *Hint, Hint* 
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Oct 28 2015, 8:43pm
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I do see how, when combined with the final scene with Old Bilbo, it might have been too much. However, the visit would have been a fine epilogue on its own. At least some elements of it were incorporated into Gandalf's parting from Bilbo at the edge of the Shire.
"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
- Dream of the Endless
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QuackingTroll
Doriath
Oct 29 2015, 3:12pm
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Okay, so picture this ending, I think it would have been incredible...
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Instead of Freeman looking down at the ring and it transitioning to Ian Holm...
Martin Freeman looks down at the acorn. He goes outside to the field and plants it. He looks down and we transition, the party tree is fully grown. Ian Holm stands admiring it. He smiles and walks back to Bag End. Outside of Bag End a hobbit child is playing and an older hobbit is trimming the bush...
Bilbo - "Evening Gaffer"
Gaffer - "There you are, Bilbo! There's some visitors waiting inside for you..."
Bilbo - "Visitors?"
Bilbo makes his way curiously toward the door half ignoring Gaffer going on in the background...
Gaffer - "I said you wouldn't mind, Bilbo's always fond of visitors..."
As Bilbo closes the door, he sees Gandalf and Balin sat at the fire talking.
After an excited welcome, the three discuss Laketown, Dale, Moria and Erebor. Balin pulls out a large picture frame and hands it to Bilbo. Bilbo smiles for a beat, thanks Balin and sets it on the side.
Bilbo starts talking about an heir and introduces Frodo - the child now playing outside the window. Bilbo describes the incident with Frodo's parents drowning and the adoption...
Bilbo - "After all that's happened, we're very lucky, really. We have each-other now..."
Gandalf - "Lucky? You do not suppose that all your escapes and adventures were also managed by mere luck? You're a very fine hobbit... etc."
The camera begins to slowly zoom toward the picture frame that Balin gave to Bilbo.
Bilbo - "Thank Goodness"
The frame contains Thror's map. As the map begins to fill the screen Bilbo is seen at the edge of frame handing a jar of pipe-weed to Gandalf. The map fills the screen and the credits roll.
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Oct 29 2015, 4:01pm
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I think that if Bilbo is old enough to look like Ian Holm then Balin should already be in Moria (and probably already dead). Adjusting for the film-timeline, Balin's attempt to recolonize Moria should probably be moved from 2989 to 2962 (although you are free to accuse me of over-thinking this!).
If I kept the visit then I would still place it about seven years after Bilbo returns to Bag End and I would keep Martin Freeman as Bilbo.
"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
- Dream of the Endless
(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Oct 29 2015, 4:04pm)
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QuackingTroll
Doriath
Oct 29 2015, 6:08pm
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I don't see why Balin reclaiming Moria should happen any earlier in the movieverse?
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Gimli expects it to be colonized still, so it can't have happened too long ago... and I don't see why Ian Holm affects this, we cant just tell the audience that Bilbo looked like Martin Freeman up until about 20 years before the events of FotR! Ian Holm with brown hair, like in the FotR prologue would be fine.
I think it's important that it's Ian Holm during the visit so that Gandalf's "you haven't aged a day" doesn't seem like a joke - the Ring was supposed to preserved him, so he should look unchanged in LotR.
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Faleel
Nargothrond
Oct 29 2015, 6:11pm
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You know, like in your avatar ;)
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Oct 29 2015, 6:40pm
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I don't see why Balin reclaiming Moria should happen any earlier in the movieverse?
At Tolkien's Council of Elrond we find out that Balin, accompanied by Ori and Oin, attempted to recolonize Moria nearly thirty years earlier, in TA 2989. Despite the fact that no word of the colony had come to Erebor for many years, Gimli is still hopeful that the fellowship will find the Dwarves alive. In the film-canon the Council of Elrond seems to have been in the year 3001, seventeen years earlier than in the books. 2989 - 17 = 2972 (yeah, my math earlier was off).
I think it's important that it's Ian Holm during the visit so that Gandalf's "you haven't aged a day" doesn't seem like a joke - the Ring was supposed to preserved him, so he should look unchanged in LotR.
The Ring would have appeared to have slowed Bilbo's ageing but would not have stopped it completely. And Gandalf would have visited Bag End several (if not many) times between the Quest of Erebor and Bilbo's farewell party. It would not be as if they hadn't seen each other for fifty years or more.
"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
- Dream of the Endless
(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Oct 29 2015, 6:43pm)
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