|
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
HOBBITFAN13
Menegroth
Nov 22 2015, 4:52pm
Post #1 of 21
(1105 views)
Shortcut
|
|
BOFA overall good
|
Can't Post
|
|
I know a lot of people have a lot of problems with BOFA but overall in my opinion I think it was a really good film. Even though I would have personally not have Alfrid in it at all and show where Tauriel goes and wrap up all the storylines, I and all the fans I have talked to think it is the best of the Hobbit trilogy including myself. So in your opinion do you BOFA is a good satisfying movie or it is a horrible film all together?
|
|
|
Smaug the iron
Mithlond
Nov 22 2015, 4:59pm
Post #2 of 21
(1061 views)
Shortcut
|
Yes there is parts that I would like them to have done something different (Legolas vs Bolg) and some characters didn't have as much screentime as I would like ( Beorn) but for the most parts it is a good movie.
|
|
|
AshNazg
Hithlum
Nov 22 2015, 5:00pm
Post #3 of 21
(1062 views)
Shortcut
|
|
You seem to be very hung-up on this question...
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
Judging by previous posts about whether people like BoFA, which their favourite film is, whether critics are to blame for its performance and why people dislike it. I'm sensing some conflict. It comes across that you're either struggling to understand why people dislike something that you do not - Or maybe you're questioning whether you yourself actually enjoyed the movie as much as you want to? I'm not sure you'll find an answer by seeking approval of your opinion from others.
|
|
|
HOBBITFAN13
Menegroth
Nov 22 2015, 5:07pm
Post #4 of 21
(1055 views)
Shortcut
|
I really do think BOFA was really good but I'm really struggling thinking it is the best of the three. I think once I see the EE I'll know for sure if it is good or really good. A few days ago I was watching the theatrical version of BOFA and I realized I wasn't really satisfied as I was last year seeing the film. Honestly I just wanted to know all your opinions on the film.
|
|
|
Toukol
Nevrast
Nov 22 2015, 5:13pm
Post #5 of 21
(1044 views)
Shortcut
|
Why are you looking at it as three separate movies? It's one long movie broken into three parts (or six parts if you include LOTR). They are not meant as stand alone movies. That's like asking which LOTR book is the best. It's actually one book broken into three parts for marketing purposes.
(This post was edited by Toukol on Nov 22 2015, 5:14pm)
|
|
|
Glorfindela
Doriath
Nov 22 2015, 6:18pm
Post #6 of 21
(986 views)
Shortcut
|
Why are you looking at it as three separate movies? It's one long movie broken into three parts (or six parts if you include LOTR). They are not meant as stand alone movies. That's like asking which LOTR book is the best. It's actually one book broken into three parts for marketing purposes.
I'd say that of the three LotR films, I definitely prefer FotR, which is (to me) less extreme and more 'natural' than, say, RotK. And when it comes to the Hobbit, I certainly prefer AUJ, which has no zombie comic-book Legolas, Tauriel or Alfrid.
Certainly, though, I'd say all three of the Hobbit films are very good – just not as good as they could have been when it comes to the plot line, and because of the way they increasingly seemed to go astray in baffling directions from DoS onwards. IMHO.
|
|
|
DigificWriter
Menegroth
Nov 22 2015, 7:00pm
Post #7 of 21
(956 views)
Shortcut
|
|
I've always found it baffling...
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
.... that people who complain about the content of these movies always seem to forget or disregard the fact that, by and large, the scripts off of which the bulk of the films were shot were not significantly rewritten after Del Toro left the project, so the things that are widely looked at as criticisms would have been present - albeit presented differently - regardless of who ultimately ended up directing the films.
This is touched upon in the Appendices of AUJ and DoS and briefly in the DoS commentary, so it's not as if it's not a known aspect of the trilogy's production history.
|
|
|
Glorfindela
Doriath
Nov 23 2015, 12:19am
Post #8 of 21
(848 views)
Shortcut
|
.... that people who complain about the content of these movies always seem to forget or disregard the fact that, by and large, the scripts off of which the bulk of the films were shot were not significantly rewritten after Del Toro left the project, so the things that are widely looked at as criticisms would have been present - albeit presented differently - regardless of who ultimately ended up directing the films.
This is touched upon in the Appendices of AUJ and DoS and briefly in the DoS commentary, so it's not as if it's not a known aspect of the trilogy's production history.
I find it baffling that this response has been elicited in response to my comment above – which had absolutely nothing to do with when or who wrote the scripts. My post simply referred to a. the films in the two trilogies that I prefer, b. the fact that I view the three films in each trilogy as separate and distinct from each other.
Perhaps the response was intended as a reply to a post in another thread?
|
|
|
DigificWriter
Menegroth
Nov 23 2015, 3:30am
Post #9 of 21
(810 views)
Shortcut
|
|
It wasnt meant to be a reply to you specifically
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
It wasn't supposed to be a reply to your post specifically, and Im sorry if you took it as a personal attack because it wasn't. 
I actually agree with most of your specific sentiments, and firmly believe that both trilogies are of equal quality and an example of some of the finest filmmaking in history.
|
|
|
Kilidoescartwheels
Doriath
Nov 23 2015, 4:25am
Post #10 of 21
(791 views)
Shortcut
|
It's hard to say for sure which I like better between AUJ and DOS - they are good for different reasons. AUJ was good at setting the groundwork, yes it was slower but we needed to get to know the story and the characters. DOS was more of a roller-coaster ride - it was exciting and fast-paced. The immediate problem with BOT5A is that it's the last movie, which is automatically a downer. Then yeah, there were some inexplicable decisions and some things that IMO were less important than some things that IMO were neglected or cut entirely. But the problem is, this can be different depending on who you talk to. For instance, I didn't personally need lots of Beorn or a resolution to the white gems, but I would have liked to know what happened to Tauriel. And since it's the last movie there won't be another that could fix these things, which is disappointing. Having said that, I still think it's a great movie because the acting was phenomenal, the battle scenes were really exciting and the movie (for the most part) followed the book. No, I mean that! We had Smaug getting shot down over Laketown, Bilbo finding the Arkenstone, Bilbo giving away the Arkenstone, the Mithreal shirt, throw him over the Ramparts, and the amazing death scene, the auction & all that. Yeah, we had alot of other stuff too, but to be honest I would have liked an even LONGER movie - the 144 minute runtime hurt the movie, but the EE fixed alot of that. So no, it's not the best but it's still a great movie.
Proud member of the BOFA Denial Association
|
|
|
dormouse
Gondolin
Nov 23 2015, 10:52am
Post #11 of 21
(754 views)
Shortcut
|
Waited, got it, watched it, loved it....
Now for a second viewing.... 
|
|
|
Smaug the iron
Mithlond
Nov 23 2015, 11:25am
Post #12 of 21
(744 views)
Shortcut
|
Welcome back to The Hobbit forum Dormouse, we have miss you.
I am happy that you like BOTFA.
|
|
|
dormouse
Gondolin
Nov 23 2015, 1:37pm
Post #13 of 21
(729 views)
Shortcut
|
I've missed being here but it was worth the wait.
Now I can go back to spreading positivity, fairy dust and perhaps a little mischief .... 
|
|
|
dormouse
Gondolin
Nov 23 2015, 6:36pm
Post #16 of 21
(667 views)
Shortcut
|
'Twas just a pre-emptive strike against being miffed! 
|
|
|
Voronwë_the_Faithful
Doriath
Nov 23 2015, 8:35pm
Post #17 of 21
(642 views)
Shortcut
|
|
Glad - but not surprised - that you liked it!
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
I'll be interested to see more specifics comments in the days and weeks to come.
(I liked the extended edition a lot, too, but have only dipped my toe into the appendices so far, and haven't listened to any of the commentary yet.)
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
|
|
|
dormouse
Gondolin
Nov 24 2015, 12:11am
Post #18 of 21
(619 views)
Shortcut
|
I'm still taking it in. The DVD was waiting when I arrived home from a long day out yesterday, Amazon having unaccountably found a way of delivering on Sunday. And I couldn't resist starting it, although I was pretty tired, and then couldn't stop until I'd finished. Haven't touched the appendices or commentary at all yet.
|
|
|
Kim
Doriath
Nov 24 2015, 2:30am
Post #19 of 21
(606 views)
Shortcut
|
Good movie, but I don't think I can say satisfying just due to the nature of how the story ends (ie with the death of my favorite character). I was surprised to find myself enjoying the battle sequence more - it came across as much more exciting with all of the extra bits.
Favorite Hobbit movie still has to go to AUJ - such a great beginning to the story and really satisfying movie for me.
|
|
|
DigificWriter
Menegroth
Nov 24 2015, 3:12pm
Post #20 of 21
(568 views)
Shortcut
|
|
3/4 of what ended up in the Extended Edition cut...
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
... of TBotFA was filmed during the initial 266-day production shoot (and the same thing applies to the Extended Cuts of AUJ and TDoS), which is honestly a phenomenal feat and a testament to the actual depth of not only Tolkien's original Hobbit novel but of the content from the LotR Appendices that applies to that same period in Middle-earth history.
|
|
|
Ilmatar
Nargothrond
Nov 29 2015, 3:17pm
Post #21 of 21
(510 views)
Shortcut
|
|
I could have written most of this :)
[In reply to]
|
Can't Post
|
|
This goes for me too, word for word:
Good movie, but I don't think I can say satisfying just due to the nature of how the story ends (ie with the death of my favorite character). I was surprised to find myself enjoying the battle sequence more - it came across as much more exciting with all of the extra bits.
For any fans of Thorin, Fíli or Kíli, the ending can hardly be all that satisfying, no matter how "canon" it may be... I was also surprised at how much I enjoyed the new battle scenes, and how much they added to the overall improvement of the EE over TE. I would have loved to see more of the quiet character moments too, and still would - but beforehand the thought of "more and more battle" felt like a bad idea, while now I can say I really do like those scenes.
After six weeks of "exile" from the Hobbit movie board (to avoid spoilers and opinions before I had the chance to make my own) I came back to find over 6000 unread posts - about a thousand posts per week. It's taking me a while to go through all those. 
I can never decide which Hobbit movie would be a favorite over the other two. Just thinking about it my mind goes blank, then starts playing favorite scenes from all three...
|
|
|
|
|
Oh, I see
[
Didn't
[