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OldestDaughter
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Oct 14 2015, 11:52am
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Alfrid's... *spoiler*
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death.
I know all this awesome news about the EE's has been going on, but I just have to ask is Alfrid's death bloody?
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CamdenMcAndrews
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Oct 14 2015, 12:36pm
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Alfrid's demise isn't bloody or gory or hardly even nasty; but it is dramatic, silly, and ironic. Very befitting.
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Bombadil
Gondolin
Oct 14 2015, 1:32pm
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a,a,a, A "Glutton for Punishment"..
complicated DUDE, until you realize
he is a Sociopath that
Desires to be
Despised?
Any effort to redeem him ?..he wouldn't understand..
ANY of it..
A Turkey Turn-Coat at every
Turn of Events..
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"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"
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Kilidoescartwheels
Doriath
Oct 14 2015, 2:41pm
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the scene is mercifully short. I didn't want a whole lot of Alfrid, and that was the only extra scene. He served a purpose, hehe
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LSF
Mithlond
Oct 14 2015, 2:43pm
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I prefer the vaguesness of him just running off with the dressful of gold. But the non-Alfrid part of the scene was funny 
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Avandel
Gondolin
Oct 14 2015, 3:40pm
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The first part of it is funny and a nice tie-back to an earlier scene - I think Ryan Gage has a good expression (kind of rueful) but the actual second part is a waste of time . It's meaningless and IMO it would have been better to have had Alfrid run off in his dress.
At least it's short. No it's not bloody, but it's sort of very mildly gross, reminded me of some pictures I see on nature shows re certain ways of feeding by certain animals. Probably where the idea came from.
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LSF
Mithlond
Oct 14 2015, 5:03pm
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The Chronicles book discussed a bloodier/more gruesome end, though by the same method. Glad they didn't go that far with it.
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Cirashala
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Oct 14 2015, 6:45pm
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not bloody (spoilers, obviously)
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but incredibly stupid
Out of all the Middle-earth EE's, there are two scenes that, IMHO, should have stayed out. The Goblin King's song (sorry, professor, but it sounded far too much like a rock song), and Alfrid's demise, which was just stupid.
I will, however, mention that the imagery at the very end of it was a good tie in to the overall theme of the film. However, I still think it could have (and should have) been left out. At least, it's the only extra scene with him in it, which was merciful as I think he had too much screentime at the expense of others already.
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Bishop
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Oct 14 2015, 7:03pm
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I thought it was as hamfisted as it gets
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The fact that a gold coin is literally the mechanism by which Alfrid meets his end is just so forced. It was also a let down that Gandalf was not able to use Radagast's staff as more than a blunt force weapon.
Btw, what the hell was he doing hiding in the pouch of an active trebuchet? Not even Alfrid could be that stupid.
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Eruonen
Gondolin
Oct 14 2015, 7:27pm
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I think the dumb scene was set up just to illustrate "greed" as if we don't know that is a
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major theme already. It makes no sense at all....of all of the places to hide he somehow climbs up into a loaded sling....and then...full symbolism moment......one coin falls......
I just wish somebody had the courage to tell PJ ..NO, this is a bad idea.
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Dcole4
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Oct 14 2015, 7:55pm
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PJ has become George Lucas in the sense no one tells him NO! to his bad ideas. It's okay to have bad ideas, he's full of so many great ones, but it's sad there's no one there with the power to gently tap him on the shoulder and say "this idea not working."
The fact that this scene was favored over the Acorn scene or the "Everything I did, I did for them" scenes is a travesty. It just shows how misplaced PJ's priorities have become. Such a shame to see a talent like that become so disjointed.
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 14 2015, 8:58pm
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I envisioned a far creepier end for Alfrid that would have reflected the original fate of the Master of Lake-town, who met his death in the Long Marshes making off with gold intended for the refounding of Esgaroth. Although my notion involved a final cameo with Gollum.
"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock
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OldestDaughter
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Oct 14 2015, 11:02pm
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I'm glad it's not bloody! (I can deal with blood, but the way the Hobbit Chronicles was describing it was extremely gross!) And I'm sure it is stupid. I expect that from a character like Alfrid.
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Silverlode
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Oct 14 2015, 11:18pm
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there is gross and bloody in the film, just not with Alfrid. The dwarf chariot chase scene features most of the gore.
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Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.
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OldestDaughter
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Oct 14 2015, 11:25pm
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And that even makes me a little more uneasy, but I can handle actually battles a whole lot better then seeing someone get mauled!
But thanks for the warning! 
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Eruonen
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Oct 15 2015, 3:00am
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Maybe I am just desensitized but I did not see anything that was
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R level IMHO.....CGI orc blood and chopping just is not big deal.
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LSF
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Oct 15 2015, 3:09am
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Hard to be after watching and loving Starz's Spartacus show 
But anyway, it's not the same level of blood/graphic violence we saw in the other five films. Battles were pretty bloodless, compared to this. This was more in your face and obvious. Maybe not R-level to your personal opinion, but its certainly not expected, going by the other films use of blood and violence. Somehow, the impacts of the Oliphants stepping on the horses seem less than the impacts of the dwarf army getting crushed by troll clubs. Here it lingers on those shots. Maybe its also the sound design here at work too. It sounds nastier and more gruesome. I flinched when the whirly thing took out a section of elves because of the sound it made on impact.
The tone of this battle just felt more brutal and real than the others.
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Silverlode
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Oct 15 2015, 3:10am
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It's a deal for me, and some other people. Heads being pulped is R-level in my opinion.
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Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.
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LSF
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Oct 15 2015, 7:19am
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I would rate it R too. Stabbings and bloodless beheadings are fine for PG13, but once you get into the blood spurting and heads and limbs being crushed and pulped...
Before the movie, I was thinking "what did they do that could be any worse than some of the stuff in ROTK?" Then I saw it "oh, that's why. Yep." Doesn't bother me, but I would say it's R
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OH! yes a Fitting END For..
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