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DainPig
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Jul 18 2016, 8:59pm
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Alfred Pennyworth
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Was Alfrid named after Bruce Wayne's butler? Alfrid, Alfred...
Both are assistants of powerful men.
"Se mais pessoas valorizassem o lar acima do ouro, o mundo seria muito mais feliz."
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Jul 18 2016, 9:33pm
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Your guess is as good as mine - maybe someone with a "Chronicles" book can answer?
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Silverlode
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Jul 18 2016, 10:06pm
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Alfrid (or Alfred) is an old, old Anglo-Saxon name. Since the Laketown design (and much of Tolkien) is very medieval in feel, it's not surprising that they went for a name that was popular in the Middle Ages when they needed to name an uncanonical character.
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Under cloud and under star
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Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
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DainPig
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Jul 18 2016, 10:14pm
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PJ's Laketown isn't anglo-saxon, it is slavic. Right?
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Silverlode
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Jul 18 2016, 10:34pm
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supposed to be (or have been) a great trading center with a certain amount of diversity shown among its citizenry?
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Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.
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DainPig
Mithlond
Jul 18 2016, 10:46pm
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They say in the documentary the design of the town was inspired by the slavic culture. Esgaroth is racially diverse, but not culturally.
"Se mais pessoas valorizassem o lar acima do ouro, o mundo seria muito mais feliz."
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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 18 2016, 10:53pm
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I'm going to call the similarity of names a coincidence.
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DeadRabbits
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Jul 18 2016, 11:07pm
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Laketown was populated by Northmen...
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... akin to the Rohirrim, the Beornings and the Woodmen of Mirkwood, among others. The Rohirrim were modelled after the Anglo-saxons, whilst very little is known of the other Northmen cultures. That said, I guess it's pretty safe to assume the people of Laketown would have resembled some other Germanic culture, since they were closely related to the Rohirrim (the Middle-earth equivalent of the Anglo-saxons).
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DainPig
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Jul 18 2016, 11:19pm
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we can't be sure
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Silverlode
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Jul 18 2016, 11:24pm
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you can take the "slavic culture" idea as the final word, when you're talking Middle-earth. Yes, they may have been inspired by elements of slavic culture in their designs, but I don't think the men of Laketown are therefore entirely Slavic, any more than I think the Elves are Samurai, despite the noticeable asian-style elements of their clothing and weaponry, or 20th century European, despite the admitted Art Deco influences in their architecture.
"Alfrid" probably pre-dates the "let's make Esgaroth Slavic" idea. I rather suspect that the character and name in the script came well before the other visual or cultural elements of the movie Laketown had been decided. For what it's worth, Bard is not a Slavic name either, it's derived from a Celtic root.
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Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.
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ange1e4e5
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Jul 19 2016, 2:09am
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But Alfred Pennyworth isn't as odious as Alfrid.
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I always follow my job through.
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dormouse
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Jul 19 2016, 11:21am
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...which as we all know is a source upon which we can always rely (*cough*), Alfrid is the Nordic version of the name Alfred, used in Sweden, Norway, Finland etc... Which fits rather well with the Slavic nature of Laketown - no? But in any case, as others have pointed out, Laketown is a trading centre and so would attract a mixture of peoples.
If you like to think of it as a Batman reference that's fine, but if you're asking what we think I'd say no. That seems as remote to me as Alfred Lord Tennyson, Alfred Noyes, Alfred Nobel - and no, I don't think he was named after them either. I'd say they just needed a name for the Master's sidekick and picked Alfred, a name with a long history to it. Then they gave it the Nordic spelling to give an otherness to it.
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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DeadRabbits
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Jul 19 2016, 12:59pm
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Alfred is the form most commonly used in Sweden at least...
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... and among Swedish-speaking Finns, I guess. 13 800 Swedish Men are currently named Alfred, whereas only 12 are named Alfrid. According to a Swedish genealogy forum, Alfrid was a female version of the male name Alf (which means Elf in Old Norse), but is no longer in use.
Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought
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dormouse
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Jul 19 2016, 1:39pm
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...as I said (or at least implied), Wiki's not the most reliable source!
I think they used that spelling to make the name seem less ordinary.
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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Salmacis81
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Aug 30 2016, 7:12pm
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...is not a typical name in most Slavic countries, but it does occur (usually Jews living among the Slavs) - however, I've only ever seen it spelled "Alfred". Sweden, Norway, and Finland aren't Slavic in the least bit though.
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