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Olorin2607
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May 30 2013, 5:56pm
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400 years of peace?
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Hello,
last night I was watching AUJ and this one particular quote that seemingly I missed until yet made me thinking..
...400 years of peace..
...Wait a minute.. what exactly does Elrond refer to?
I just can't think of any great war that ended 400 years prior to the events of The Hobbit?
Is this one of PJs silly additions?
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Angharad73
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May 30 2013, 6:05pm
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I've wondered about that too...
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... and I'm still not sure where it comes from...
Elrond says something about '400 years of hard-earned, watchful peace', which made me thing of the Watchful Peace, which lasted from T. A. 2063 to 2460, so about 400 years. Maybe that's whee PJ got the idea and just modified the timeline a bit?
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Olorin2607
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May 30 2013, 6:11pm
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That actually would at least make some sense now.. but then of course PJ left oout some 600 years after that. And it still is unnecessary.
As his ideas about the Witchking etc.
I hope DOS and TABA clear things up a bit..
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Angharad73
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May 30 2013, 6:26pm
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What's a few hundred years, give or take? 
Now, Sauron did return to Dol Guldur in 2460, didn't he? Now, the Witchking is a different matter...
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Otaku-sempai
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May 30 2013, 6:30pm
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For a period of peace, there is an awful lot of war over the past 400 years...
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Selected Entries from Tolkien's Timeline:
2740 Orcs renew their invasion of Eriador.
2758 Rohan attacked from the west and east and overrun. Gondor attacked by fleets of the Corsairs. Wulf seizes Edoras. 2758-9: The Long Winter follows.
2770 Smaug the Dragon decends on Erebor. Dale destroyed.
2790 Thror slain by an Orc in Moria.
2793 The War of the Dwarves and Orcs begins.
2799 Battle of Nanduhirion before the East-gate of Moria.
2800-64 Orcs from the North trouble Rohan. King Walda slain by them (2861).
2885 Stirred up by emissaries of Sauron the Haradrim cross the Poros and attack Gondor. The sons of Fffolcwine of Rohan as slain in the service of Gondor.
2901 Most of the remaining inhabitants of Ithilien desert it owning to the attacks of Uruks of Mordor.
2911 The Fell Winter. White Wolves invade Eriador from the North.
To paraphrase Douglas Adams: This is obviously some strange usage of the word peace that I wasn't previously aware of.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Elizabeth
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May 30 2013, 7:02pm
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...affected the Elves of Rivendell (or Lórien either, for that matter)? It is, after all, a quote from Elrond that's under discussion.
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Otaku-sempai
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May 30 2013, 7:06pm
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Compare that period of time to Tolkien's actual Watchful Peace to see how much is happening in comparison. Even discounting events that chiefly concern the Dwarves, there is a big difference.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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painjoiker
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May 30 2013, 9:14pm
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is that in the film the Nazguls are "dead" and buried instead of just chilling with ghost-Sauron in Mordor 
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Olorin2607
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May 30 2013, 9:26pm
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Perhaps it will be like: The Rings of Power the Nazgul-Kings got from Sauron, make it possible for them to not be really dead yet after their demise. They would be in some world between life and death then. And the Necromancer brings them back to their Nazgul forms we know from LOTR and have seen in Dol Guldur in the Hobbit, freeing them from their tombs. Or something like this...
Though thats another story... why could the Witchking ( if it was him) be seeen in his ghastly form at all? 
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Fredeghar Wayfarer
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May 30 2013, 10:48pm
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Considering the scene's emphasis on the Angmar War and the Men of the North defeating and imprisoning the Nazgul, I would assume that took place 400 years ago. I don't have the book in front of me so I don't know how that jibes with Tolkien's version.
Regardless, the movie's timeline seems to be: 3000 years ago, Sauron is defeated by the Last Alliance. His spirit endures but no one is aware of his survival. Centuries later, the Witch-king wages war with the Dunedain from Angmar. He and the Nazgul are defeated and imprisoned. 400 years of (relative) peace follow. Now darkness is stirring in Mirkwood and the White Council is getting the impression that Sauron survived.
It's different from Tolkien's version of events but I can roll with it, as long as they don't linger too long on the Nazgul tombs or anything else that leans towards fan fiction.
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flameofudun
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May 31 2013, 1:47am
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i reallly think elrond was refering to
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eriador and rivendell area, and also reffering to the watchful peace that happned prior to these events
''We are very dangerous over short distances''
-Gimli
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blakeyamc
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May 31 2013, 9:22pm
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This is what I assumed, rightly or wrongly, he was talking about.
TA 2509 - Cirion, Steward of Gondor, sends summons to the Éothéod for military aid; Celebrían (Wife of ELROND) is waylaid by orcs, receives a poisoned wound, and consequentially departs Middle-earth.
TA 2510 - The alliance between Rohan and Gondor comes into existence. The Easterlings launch a massive invasion of Gondor. The Balchoth invade Rhovanion (which disappears as an independent realm) and Gondor, conquering much of Calenardhon, but are driven back by the people of Éothéod; Gondor gives the now-uninhabited province of Calenardhon to the people of Éothéod
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Yngwulff
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Jun 2 2013, 3:22am
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eriador and rivendell area, and also reffering to the watchful peace that happned prior to these events
No direct action from the enemy ... kinda like the cold war / bush wars between 1950 and 1990
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