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SandWitch King
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Feb 26 2007, 5:33am
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Does anybody wanna talk Oscars?
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I know some of you watched the Academy Awards as I did. It may be impossible for the rest of my life to watch them and not think about the Jackson team and the LOTR films. However, I do enjoy current cinema and had some very definite opinions about films this year.
My biggest disapointments were for "Children of Men" not winning "Best Adapted Screenplay" or "Cinematography" or "Editing". The second thing I was sad to see was "Pan's Labyrinth" not winning "Best Foreign Film" but to be fair, I haven't seen the other films yet.
If I were in charge of the world, both of those movies would have been nominated for "Best Picture"; I can easily throw out 'Babel' which didn't connect with me in any way and probably "Little Miss Sunshine" was I did like but certainly didn't see greatness in. I think "Children of Men" would have my vote for "Best Picture" but clearly, I am not in charge.
Anyway, I would love to see other comments.
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Feb 26 2007, 5:49am
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After seeing it cleaning up the other catagories it was in, I told Mrs. Foe that I bet everyone was wondering why it wasn't nominated for Best Picture, then it didn't win Foreign Film. I guess they understand now.
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linkin-artelf
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Feb 26 2007, 6:20am
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about Pan's Labyrinth not winning, but then again I didn't see the others either. Still
Also disappointed about Hudson winning over Blanchet or the Japanese actress, forget her name, and Arkin (huh?) over any of the others.
I admit that the best actor and actress categories had some great nominees. Though I think Whitaker deserved his win I was rooting for DiCaprio but mostly because I felt he should have won for the Aviator.
So pleased to see Scorsese win and The Departed (excellent) take the oscar. I have seen Sunshine, good but vastly overrated, and Babel, also good but too disjointed, the connection with the Japanese storyline was too slim.
Much as I love Howard Shore, best score? You mean the two minutes it played in the film? Have to admit I didn't recognize it as his and it worked very well when it was present, but it was sadly lacking thorughout a lot of the film and I think that is what made the movie have an almost documentary feel. Pan's Labyrinth's had me in tears, in fact I had a hard time composing myself at the end of the movie in great part because the score just kept playing through the credits.
I got a kick out of Moricone's Italian speech, which was much more eloquent than what Eastwood translated.
Ok, now for the real discussion, the fashion. Loved Blanchet's, Mirren's and Cruz' gowns the best. No monstrous faux pas that I noticed.
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Feb 26 2007, 6:39am
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TV news slated Gwyneth Paltrow
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for wearing 'a disaster', and wondered when Hudson would be beamed up to her spaceship. Of the few dresses they showed, Cate again looked luminous.
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Elf Princess of Lorien
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Feb 26 2007, 7:24am
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Wait, Howard Shore was nominated for best score? For what movie? I totally missed that.
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linkin-artelf
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Feb 26 2007, 8:01am
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Scorsese thanked Shore for his score during his acceptance speech and I got that confused with the score of Babel which won the oscar. The Departed's score was not nominated though. Babel's score by Gustavo Santaolalla is the one that was good when it was present but underused in the film. And though I was thinking of Babel's score when I said that it was different from anything else Shore did, his score for the Departed was also not immediately recognisable as one of his, by me at least. I was surprised when his name was mentioned by Scorsese. I'll have to give a relisten now. My daughter really liked the Irish theme that plays in the film, but she loves anything Irish.
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Elf Princess of Lorien
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Feb 26 2007, 8:05am
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I wasn't paying as close attention to the Oscars since I was at work, but I didn't know that he did the music for "The Departed."
I haven't seen a LOT of the Oscar nominated movies. I think the only one I've seen is "The Queen." Now I am really wanting to see "The Departed," as well as lot of the others. Time to rearrange the Netflix queue again and catch up with the rest of the world, I suppose. ;)
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Owlyross
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Feb 26 2007, 12:53pm
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has Babel been pronounced Babble. Was there some kind of meeting that I missed? Seems like they need to go and read their Bibles... Sorry... Bibbles.
Pleased to see that Martin Scorcese finally won. We nearly rented the Departed on Friday... But then didn't. Little Miss Sunshine I loved, but it wasn't best picture material. Glad that Alan Arkin won for it anyway. It really wasn't the best year for truly outstanding filmmaking. A couple of gems but a lot of dross. And animated films... Is there always such a paucity of quality?
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Wynnie
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Feb 26 2007, 1:27pm
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I think most Americans pronounce it with the short a (like "babble"), Britishers with the long a. American dictionaries give both pronunciations as acceptable.
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Owlyross
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Feb 26 2007, 1:38pm
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I was getting wound up by the news this morning.
So do you guys pronounce the Tower of Babel as Babble as well?
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Wynnie
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Feb 26 2007, 1:44pm
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SandWitch King
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Feb 26 2007, 2:18pm
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But nobody I know. The pronunciation was annoying to me for a bit. Most Americans I run into, when talking about the film, say it both ways at the start of the conversation and wonder which it is.
I usually say, "Like the Tower of 'Babe-el' "
But, in most cases of language these days, nobody can be bothered with the minor details like pronunciation. 
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Owlyross
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Feb 26 2007, 2:29pm
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As far as I knew, it is, was, and always has been pronounced Bay-bell. And that's confirmed by my Collins Dictionary. Ah well, it's probably a quirk of regional pronunciation...
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Feb 26 2007, 3:22pm
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I was very happy to see Scorsese and The Departed win - well deserved, I thought. But I have to admit I was sorry to see Eddie Murphy lose to Alan Arkin. I saw both movies and thought Murphy absolutely deserved the Oscar. Little Miss Sunshine was great, too, though. If The Departed hadn't won, I would have wanted LMS to win.
What did you all think about the presentation overall? The friends I was watching with all found it very boring, and Ellen underwhelming as a host.
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shuya
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Feb 26 2007, 3:34pm
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I enjoyed the show, apart from it going until after midnight.
My biggest disappointments were also that Children of Men didn't win for its categories, especially since it really did kick butt with its screen play, cinematography, and film editing. Seriously! I would have liked to see it nominated for best picture too, though I did really like The Departed a lot and Scorsese's joy at winning was fun to watch. For the first time, I seriously wondered if it might be a mistake to end with Best Picture, since it's given to the producers, who we usually know nothing about. That guy should have pulled the rest of the cast on stage - or at least Scorsese - instead, I was sitting there almost completely uninterested. I know producers do a *lot* of work on movies and without them, movies wouldn't get made. I'm sure that guy deserved his moment in the sun, but I couldn't help but be underwhelmed at seeing the biggest award of the year go to someone who I didn't recognize and whose job I don't really understand. Oh well.
Overall, it was fun to watch! It also really made me want to see The Lives of Others - I was surprised it beat Pan's Labyrinth, though I've heard it's very good.
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 26 2007, 3:35pm
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*geeky hand-clapping!* Happy Feet won best animated!!! *tosses confetti*
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They beat out Cars! That's pretty awesome! The messages of Feet had to have an impact on that decision, but I'm delighted that it won!
I loved the little skit at the beginning of ABC's Red Carpet coverage with the penguins and then bringing in the other contenders.
I also SO enjoy Ellen DeGeneres. She's a hoot, and did a great job! I like her MUCH MUCH better than Conan O'Brien *shudder* Billy and/or Ellen from now on, folks... imho.
I haven't had a chance to watch all of it... but my vcr captured all the magic for me to watch later on.
 
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Feb 26 2007, 3:49pm
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I liked that Jennifer Hudson won. I know many of you are much too good to watch American Idol  , but I do, and enjoy it, and it was oddly satisfying to see her up there - even though she beat out our Cate. I didn't think her dress was bad, or Gwyneth's. But Cate was luminous. I only saw bits here and there, but found myself annoyed (as usual) that Ellen DeGeneres (and Jack Black & co.) frolicking, while amusing, was given so much air time - what, so that people giddy over having just won an Oscar would have their speeches cut off? Tighten up the extracurricular nonsense and give the winners 20 more seconds each before drowning them out. Al Gore can't act worth spit, but his moment was still pretty funny. He didn't win, though, did he -?
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Feb 26 2007, 3:56pm
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Guy looks like he's on chemo for cancer. Or is it for a part?
I'm American and I say Babe-el. That jarred me too.
I thought Blanchett had the best dress. She looks fabulous in anything, mind. Nicole Kidman looked amazing too.
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Feb 26 2007, 4:07pm
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Oh! I'm sorry. I shouldn't have spoiled this. Too late to edit *shuffles off* /
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Feb 26 2007, 4:19pm
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Jack is fine, but he's playing a terminal cancer patient in a movie he's shooting
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He's making kind of a buddy flick with Morgan Freeman as two aging cancer patients who escape the hospital for a few days.
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JRandomRohirrim
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Feb 26 2007, 4:23pm
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I'm with you on Children of Men
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It was such a completely brilliant movie, it deserved several Oscars, and Clive Owen really deserved a Best Actor nomination.
I liked Pan's Labyrinth quite a bit, but in a year with so many crappy movies, Children of Men was really special.
I have a "gory detail" write-up on my <a href="http://www.dpsinfo.com/movies/oscar07.html#top">Oscar opinions</a> for this year online.
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Feb 26 2007, 4:31pm
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BEST PICTURE - "The Departed," Graham King, producer
A Scorsese picture wins. It’s about time. (Though I thought Letters was better.)
BEST DIRECTOR - Martin Scorsese, "The Departed"
Scorsese wins. Again, it’s about time. (Too bad for Paul Greengrass and United 93.) And unlike many “It’s about time” Oscars it’s actually a work typical of the artist.
BEST ACTOR - Forest Whitaker, "The Last King of Scotland"
Agree. Pretty much a lock.
BEST ACTRESS - Helen Mirren, "The Queen"
Pretty obvious, though I thought Dench had the better performance. But Dench had already had six noms and one win and Hollywood is funny that way.
BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR - Alan Arkin, "Little Miss Sunshine"
A surprise. Murphy probably should have gotten it, but Arkin was another sentimental favorite who had been nominated a couple of times before but never won. Besides, his win gave a nod to the ensemble cast. (If only the Academy had used the same reasoning for McKellen.)
BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS - Jennifer Hudson, "Dreamgirls"
Agreed.
BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY - "Little Miss Sunshine," Michael Arndt
They had to give the movie something.
BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY - "The Departed", William Monahan
Too bad they couldn’t have given an Oscar to one of the Scorsese films that Scorsese actually wrote. As for Children of Men, no way it could have won, it just had too many writers.
BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE FILM - "An Inconvenient Truth", Davis Guggenheim, director; Laurie David, Lawrence Bender, producers
Hollywood takes the easy route. Anybody who doesn’t know about enhanced global warming has been living in a cave. But "Deliver Us From Evil” was just too controversial. And Hollywood has to kick off the presidential race with something.
BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM - "The Lives of Others", Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck
A nice surprise. This film is extremely significant historically, politically, psychologically, and all sorts of other -ally. That Hollywood would even be aware of that fact much less acknowledge it is simply amazing.
BEST ANIMATED FEATURE - "Happy Feet", George Miller, director
Yep, my pick.
BEST ORIGINAL SCORE - "Babel," Gustavo Santaolalla
Amazing. Babel’s score was great, but many judged it just too quirky, modern, whatever to win. With no hummable themes, indeed, not really any themes at all, it seemed just too odd and personal to win. Most had picked The Queen’s symbolically restrained orchestral score to win.
BEST ORIGINAL SONG - "I Need to Wake Up" Melissa Etheridge (from "An Inconvenient Truth")
Again, Hollywood provides an anthem for the Democratic presidential race. Anything from Dreamgirls would have been better and more deserved than this bad Joan Collins pastiche.
BEST ANIMATED SHORT FILM - "The Danish Poet", Torill Kove, director
My pick, and extremely well deserved.
BEST ART DIRECTION - "Pan's Labyrinth" Eugenio Caballero, art direction; Pilar Revuelta, set decoration
The Prestige deserved the win, but I guess Hollywood felt PL just had to win for something.
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BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY - "Pan's Labyrinth", Guillermo Navarro
How messed up. The Good German deserved it but wasn’t nominated. The Black Dahlia was nominated but didn’t win.
BEST COSTUME DESIGN - "Marie Antoinette," Milena Canonero
Very good, though I’d have tied it with Curse of the Golden Flower.
BEST DOCUMENTARY SHORT FILM - "The Blood of Yingzhou District", Ruby Yang, Thomas Lennon
Yep.
BEST FILM EDITING - "The Departed", Thelma Schoonmaker
After a long drought Scorsese cleans up with Oscars. But United 93 deserved this one.
BEST LIVE ACTION SHORT FILM - "West Bank Story," Ari Sandel, director
Yes!!!!! There is intelligence in Hollywood!!!
BEST MAKEUP - "Pan's Labyrinth", David Marti, Montse Ribe
Yep.
BEST SOUND EDITING - "Letters From Iwo Jima", Alan Robert Murray, Bub Asman
I’d have gone with Apocalypto, but I guess Mel is still persona non gratia.
BEST SOUND MIXING - "Dreamgirls," Michael Minkler, Bob Beemer, Willie Burton
Doesn’t quite make any sense. I’d have gone Flags of Our Fathers, or at least Letters from Iwo Jima.
BEST VISUAL EFFECTS - "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest," John Knoll, Hal Hickel, Charles Gibson, Allen Hall - Reuters
A no brainer, but Hollywood still might have surprised.
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diedye
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Feb 26 2007, 4:35pm
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Was it Elijah's voice they used for the opening?...
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It sounded a little like him, only like he had a cold or something.
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I didn't think Gwyneth's dress was THAT bad!
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Wasn't the best she's ever worn, but it wasn't a disaster. J-Lo, though, looked like she bought her dress at a Halloween costume shop ... and must have gotten her hair done by my grandma's old stylist! And Nicole Kidman looked like she had a poinsettia grafted to her back.
On the plus side, Reese Witherspoon's gown was gorgeous and Naomi Watts looked like old-time celluloid royalty.
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