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Mirabella_Bunce
Rivendell

Apr 30 2008, 7:22pm

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Beornagorn... not :) [In reply to] Can't Post

I am confident there will be plenty of opportunity for Aragorn to make appearances in one or both movies. I'm thinking mostly the second one, when he was chasing Gollum around Middle-earth, but he was also involved in events before that. There's no reason he can't put in an appearance in Rivendell, at the very least. He was in and out of there quite a lot in his youth. (Well, what passed for youth, for him!) My only concern is that if he is only seen briefly in the background here and there in the first movie, I'll miss a lot of important dialog because his fan-girls will be screaming and carrying on... :D For that reason alone I hope they find a way to develop Aragorn's part in the first movie further!

But he couldn't replace Beorn, I don't think. Maybe speak a few of Beorn's best lines, just to honor the character, the way Treebeard used Bombadil's. I'm still holding out the hope that we might still see the actual Beorn in this one! (Sans beverages served by dogs and ponies, please... :) )


Unspoken_Request
Bree

Apr 30 2008, 8:23pm

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I fear Bardagorn more [In reply to] Can't Post

Beorn is a shapechanger. His personality is very distinctive. His ability to transform into a bear is very interesting and makes for good fantastic scenes (the audience is now used to orcs/goblins, trolls and spiders; something new and fantastic would be interesting to watch...). Maybe they'll decide to drop him because he is not really essential to the story, but it wouldn't make much sense to me if they replace him by Aragorn. Beorn's sole logical purpose in the story is to give shelter, food, information, poneys and equipment to the party. The downside is that it can potentially slow down the progression of the main quest (and help them during the battle of the five armies).
Aragorn is a Ranger without a real home (outside of Rivendell). He can do very few of these things, except probably give them information about the Goblins. Either Beorn is in or he is out. but I don't know why they'd replace him by Aragorn. You would have the downside of slowing down the movie AND you wouldn't have the benefit of Beorn's interesting personality and fantastic abilities.

Another possibility: skipping the Eagles
Beorn and a few of his fellow bears save the party instead of the Eagles. This has a few benefits for the screenwriters:
1) non-readers could react rather badly to another deus ex machina involving the Eagles. They are quite controversial after all. We all know why... I've even read some people calling them Air Middle-earth or Taxi Middle-earth...
2) Seeing a battle between goblins and wargs (WOLVES, not hyenas!!!) on one side and Beorn, his bears, the Dwarves, Gandalf and Bilbo on the other could be a feast for the eyes for those who like that kind of cinema... this would be something new (LOTR audience are used to the typical fight between the regular good guys and Orcs/goblins)
3) It makes the role of an interesting character (Beorn) much more relevant: his information on the Goblins after the rescue establish the important information that the Goblins and the Wargs (WOLVES) are on the move. This can be used to make the "geopolitics" of the region more relevant for the party: A) the region is in turmoil following the death of the Great Goblin, therefore the best way to the Lonely Mountain is through Myrkwood B) Beorn is determined to counter the Goblins in anyway he can and he'll continue fighting them while they cross Myrkwood. This last bit makes his arrival at the Battle of the Five armies more plausible and more meaningful. + We have enough time to like the character. It,s always fun when a character you like comes to the rescue of his friends. + Huge bears in a fight against the goblin army is something I'd like to see.

Downside: 1) it makes the initial meeting with Beorn (a delight) quite different from what Tolkien wrote.
2) Having the eagles could be an interesting opportunity to explain a bit their role in Middle-earth, making it easy for movie audience to understand why the Eagles couldn't have brought the fellowship (and the ring) to Mount Doom.
3) the whole Eagle rescue, their arrival at the Eagle's nests and their return down to earth has the potential for great comedy (Bilbo is forced to grab one of the Dwarves' legs and the poor fellow keeps saying "my legs! my legs!") and for beautiful scenery.


Even worse possibility: Beornbardagorn
This could be as bad as encountering Aragorn in lieu of Beorn (after their rescue by the Eagles) and Aragorn tagging along with the group for the rest of the quest.
or
Meeting Aragorn in lieu of Beorn, leaving the guy once they get inside Myrkwood and reusing Aragorn in Laketown instead of Bard to make sure that Smaug is killed by a relevant protagonist.
Worse case scenario if you ask me.


keithf777
The Shire

Apr 30 2008, 11:39pm

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Beornagorn NO! just Beorn... Aaragorn in his own movie ;o) [In reply to] Can't Post


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But he couldn't replace Beorn, I don't think. Maybe speak a few of Beorn's best lines, just to honor the character, the way Treebeard used Bombadil's. I'm still holding out the hope that we might still see the actual Beorn in this one! (Sans beverages served by dogs and ponies, please... :) )



What? dude... sans dogs and ponys!? But the dog and pony waiters are the best part! Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm only half kidding, you know...

Cheers,
Keith


Mirabella_Bunce
Rivendell

May 1 2008, 12:42am

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Don't give them ideas!!! [In reply to] Can't Post


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Even worse possibility: Beornbardagorn
This could be as bad as encountering Aragorn in lieu of Beorn (after their rescue by the Eagles) and Aragorn tagging along with the group for the rest of the quest.
or
Meeting Aragorn in lieu of Beorn, leaving the guy once they get inside Myrkwood and reusing Aragorn in Laketown instead of Bard to make sure that Smaug is killed by a relevant protagonist.
Worse case scenario if you ask me.

You're scaring me!!! (Covers eyes and ears to Make It Stop!)

Nice point though that The Hobbit movie would provide an opportunity to finally put to bed that idiotic question about "Well why couldn't they have just had one of the Eagles carry the Ring to Mt. Doom and drop it in?" Mad


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2) Having the eagles could be an interesting opportunity to explain a bit their role in Middle-earth, making it easy for movie audience to understand why the Eagles couldn't have brought the fellowship (and the ring) to Mount Doom.
3) the whole Eagle rescue, their arrival at the Eagle's nests and their return down to earth has the potential for great comedy (Bilbo is forced to grab one of the Dwarves' legs and the poor fellow keeps saying "my legs! my legs!") and for beautiful scenery.



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