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Hobbit sequel

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Apr 25 2008, 3:10am

Post #1 of 14 (670 views)
Hobbit sequel Can't Post

Went back a couple months and didn't see this discussed, though I can't imagine that it wasn't (so if there is another thread, please direct me).

Anyhow, what exactly will be covered in the sequel to the Hobbit? Will a lot of stuff need to be fabricated? Knowing Tolkien, I presume there is a lot of backstory in some appendix someplace that I am unfamiliar with.

So, what will be the basic storyline of the movie that comes AFTER The Hobbit?


Apr 25 2008, 3:11am

Post #2 of 14 (359 views)
somewhere you've never heard of [In reply to] Can't Post

in some appendix someplace that I am unfamiliar with.

the over 100 page long Appendix which is included at the end of every copy of "The Return of the King"?

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Apr 25 2008, 3:14am

Post #3 of 14 (304 views)
correct [In reply to] Can't Post

Correct...the appendix that is not terribly readable to many of the commonfolk fans...which is why I am asking here.

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Apr 25 2008, 3:20am

Post #4 of 14 (316 views)
It's been discussed. [In reply to] Can't Post

If you want to read our previous speculation on the topic, do a search for "bridge movie" and you should find what you're looking for.

But really, we just don't know anything. We're not even sure what background material is legal for them to use. The filmmakers have the rights to LOTR, but not to The Silmarillion or the History of Middle-earth (HOME) books, which is where much of the information about what happened in those "in between" years is found. We don't know how strict the Tolkien Estate is going to be on using details from those books to flesh out things listed in the Tale of Years Appendix to LOTR, for instance.

If they're able to use some of that material, there are several plot lines they could go with. Many of us would like to see the White Council, and perhaps more of Aragorn and Arwen's story. There could be more about the Lonely Mountain dwarves and Balin's move to Moria, or Gollum's wanderings.

If they're restricted to only what is mentioned in LOTR and its Appendices, then they may have to invent a lot of story elements, which would mean the second movie would be more of a fanfic than anything else.

Your guess is as good as anyone else's, until somebody drops us some hints.


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Apr 25 2008, 3:39am

Post #5 of 14 (280 views)
Not every copy [In reply to] Can't Post

It's not in my copy of "El Retorno Del Rey" They only included a small part of Appendix A, the part about Aragorn and Arwen. But you're right, it is pretty widely available ;-)

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Apr 25 2008, 3:43am

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Also, check out this post [In reply to] Can't Post

A reply to a similar query on Main. Our "Search Posts" function (see Ring icon at the top of the page), is very robust. I searched on "Hobbit Sequel" and got over 200 results!

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Apr 25 2008, 3:49am

Post #7 of 14 (237 views)
Why am I thinking [In reply to] Can't Post

of the drinking game ? ;-)

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Apr 25 2008, 2:14pm

Post #8 of 14 (204 views)
I'm going to put my money on... [In reply to] Can't Post

... a Gandalf-centered story. If you are going to do a bridge-movie covering 50-or so years, you need at least one central character the audience can follow and relate to. It can only be Gandalf, he was very active in those days ;)

I guess maybe the movie will pick up with gandalf leaving Thorin and company to scare away Sauron from Mirkwood, and then continue on following him here and there. And then the movie should end with Gandalf riding his horse and wagon into Hobbiton. Gandalf was, to me, the most important character next to Frodo in LOTR and Bilbo in The Hobbit, it is only fair that he gets his own movie. So basically another journey movie, should be great fun!

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Apr 25 2008, 2:20pm

Post #9 of 14 (207 views)
And in the German paperback edition [In reply to] Can't Post

it is the same, I think, or there are none at all; these were released in a separate book. (Or at least in the most popular edition - didn't check all these new prints with movie pictures on the cover that were released because of the movies, though I doubt they had the appendices). In the hardcover edition, however, the appendices are included.

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Apr 25 2008, 2:51pm

Post #10 of 14 (177 views)
even in English [In reply to] Can't Post

The first copy of LOTR I ever read was one that my dad picked up in England in the 70's; a one-volume paperback. It also only had "Aragorn & Arwen", and none of the other appendices.

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Apr 25 2008, 11:26pm

Post #11 of 14 (131 views)
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Apr 26 2008, 1:58am

Post #12 of 14 (136 views)
*slides bowl of pretzels behind beer* Way cool! // [In reply to] Can't Post


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Apr 26 2008, 4:13am

Post #13 of 14 (150 views)
Please re-think that! [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To
Correct...the appendix that is not terribly readable to many of the commonfolk fans...which is why I am asking here.

Appendices A and B, at least, are marvelous!

A gives all the back-story about the Rohirrim and about the dwarves, the history of Gondor (how Osgiliath was lost, and why there is no king there), and (most people's favorite) the story of Aragorn and Arwen.

Appendix B gives some timelines, which are fascinating. In the books (TTT and RotK in particular) there are several plot threads running concurrently in time -- the timeline shows you what was happening when. You can see, for example, that while the hobbits are on their way to Bree, Gandalf is trying desperately to catch them. The night they spend at the Prancing Pony, Gandalf had reached Hobbiton and was visiting The Gaffer. Even more dramatically, when Frodo was captive in Cirith Ungol was the same time that Faramir was brought in wounded, Denethor looked in the Palantir and subsequently lost his mind. It seems probable that he saw Frodo in captivity, and assumed Sauron had the Ring, which drove him to suicidal despair.

I'll admit that some of the Appendices on language, calendars, etc., are heavy going, but Appendices A and B are terrific.

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Apr 26 2008, 4:15pm

Post #14 of 14 (134 views)
I like your Gandalf-centered plot!... [In reply to] Can't Post

as long as we have a lot of Aragorn-Arwen story too, and a lot of Galadriel as well, in the White Council and all...

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